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CamoMom
02-21-2007, 04:04 AM
Just as a quick intro, DH and I put our kids in a public high school four weeks ago after almost a full year of total mutiny on their part (the kids)--they had been fully convinced by their friends that they were social outcasts and had no "real world" skills, so they made our lives a living....yeah......until we finally gave in and let them go to public school.

In that month, my son has completely withdrawn from us and will not tell us anything that is going on at school. It's "his world", and he doesn't want us to have any part of it. This is completely the idea of his new "friends", who tell him he's entitled to his privacy and we, as his parents, have "no right" to intrude on his space.

My daughter's "learning" experiences are just as horrifying, but hers are more of the "academic" (I use that term VERY loosely) variety. For a FULL MONTH, her world history class has focused every minute of class and homework time on the study of Islam--its founder, its beginnings, its methods and beliefs, the impact they have on society.....all of this in an effort to inspire "tolerance" of a religion that has supposedly far too much negativity attached to it to truly be "admired". In her class yesterday, they moved on...to cover the ENTIRE history of Christendom in one chapter, one hour. I looked in her history book, and even though we are stationed in Germany and have the opportunity for some serious up-front learning experiences about the second world war, there is little more than five pages dedicated to it. But the study of Islam takes a full MONTH? Where is the separation of church and state when it comes to learning to "tolerate" Muslims? Why does my 15yo need to learn Muslim prayers or the tenets of their faith?

Oh, and in health....which, by the way, is REQUIRED for graduation.....she and her classmates have to turn in an essay about a movie regarding the experimentation on blacks with syphillys infections; they were actually told to explain what they ENJOYED about this movie!!!!!

SCUSE ME???????

I quit. There is NO WAY I can defend this pathetic excuse for "education" that my children are getting. They aren't being taught to use math and proper communication skills; they aren't being challenged to write beyond a 3rd grade maturity level; they aren't graded on proper handwriting. They ARE evaluated for their knowledge of the Muslim world and their "enjoyment" of a movie about the abuse of a race using a sexually transmitted disease.

I'm disgusted.

Just thought those of you whose hubbies were on the fence might want to let them know what your precious children are in for as they grow up in our educational system.

fawnlovesjasper
02-21-2007, 06:47 AM
OMG!!! I am speechless!!! We had thought about when it came time for highschool allowing our kids to decide if they wanted to go to public school... I am not impressed with our school district to begin with, and it is full of DR's kids (we live in a small town with a huge well known hospital), and the drugs fly freely there... I think you have totally convinced me to stick to my guns, and keep them at home (after all there is a state wide group that offers things like senior trips and a prom and even a state accredited graduation complete with ceremony and diploma).

:hugs: mama.. this has to be a nightmare for you!

rowynne
02-21-2007, 01:25 PM
My husband teaches in a public high school & NONE of that stuff is taught here. (Nor was it taught to us in high school). Maybe because yours is an overseas school?

lilmama2dsndd
02-21-2007, 01:37 PM
I so wish I would have been homeschooled, I grduated in 2000 but I still remember being embarrassed that I actually wanted to learn, and how irratating it was when someone would take time away from learning to be "funny" or "cute" or "popular" but not being ale to say anything for fear of rideicule (SP). No thanks, my DC deserve better than that, DS already loves to learn and I don't want that killed

Hitchkids
02-21-2007, 03:22 PM
Wow. I'm assuming this is a DODDS school. None of that was taught in the schools I attended and trust me when I say the last one I went to was awful. Base was closing and all the good teachers had left for better jobs. It was awful. Man, I'm sorry it's not working out to be a good experience for your family.

moonphishers
02-21-2007, 03:29 PM
okay - just my thoughts about one thing... and in no way is this a defense of anything, but christianity is presumably "taught" more often than islam so that may explain why the lessons we're shorter in duration and maybe they do have the best of intentions to widen the spectrum of ideas in the world future leaders to have exposure to the reality of the world... KWIM? Just a thought. :o (fwiw I think a month is a little long for anything...)

other than that I think the syph. movie sounds awful! :yuck:

Choose2bgr8
02-26-2007, 09:51 AM
My dd went to Kindergarten for 3 weeks and had that withdrawn attitude too. She wouldn't talk about school and she was starting to be mean to her little sister. After much thought I decided to take her out. Your kids sound older, but I think I would take them out too. You are in a tough situation though with them not wanting to be homeschooled. Wow! I will keep your family in my prayers.

a_budravage
02-26-2007, 11:09 AM
I so wish I would have been homeschooled, I grduated in 2000 but I still remember being embarrassed that I actually wanted to learn, and how irratating it was when someone would take time away from learning to be "funny" or "cute" or "popular" but not being ale to say anything for fear of rideicule (SP). No thanks, my DC deserve better than that, DS already loves to learn and I don't want that killed

Yeah, I hear you. I would have liked to spend more time learning but kept quiet for fear of ridicule. My brother loved to learn until he got a teacher from H E double hockey sticks in fifth. She disliked boys (every child that had been in her class said that) and would intentionally loose his papers and give him low marks. I only say this because my brother is a genius (he has had his IQ tested) and in every other grade he got straight A's. Oh, and he would spend his evenings and weekends crying in his room because he had to go back to school (mom and dad didn't know) Public school is too unpredictable and inconsistant.

CamoMom
02-27-2007, 05:04 AM
All of your replies have been great; I really wish I could take my kids back out of school, but at this stage in the game, my daughter would probably apply for emancipation JUST to be in public school (she's already told us to send her to live with her grandparents so she can go to PS--Grandma is a retired PS teacher and my staunchest "enemy" when it comes to HSing), and honestly, my son could probably benefit from the discipline and structure IF he could get it there--I certainly don't have enough resources to enforce much at home anymore. It just stinks. They are both completely anti-homeschooling to the extreme, and it's all because of what their "friends" have told them they are missing out on by being around Mom all day long.

It's not so much that they're learning about Islam, per se, that bugs me about that history class my DD is in....it's the fact that it's taking up SOOOOO much class time that can never be regained to focus on other aspects of world history! It shocked me to find out that a good one-fifth of their history book is devoted to the study of the Muslim world. No Huns, no Allemaigne Empire, but shoot, all of those kids are tested on knowing the pillars of Islam! And probably a bigger thorn in my side is that one student in my DD's class was given EXTRA CREDIT because his dad is Muslim and he got his dad to answer a bunch of questions the kids had. Answer questions, yes....extra credit? I don't think so.

As if I didn't have enough issues with the negative socialization aspect, yesterday we spent four hours with two MP investigators because my DD was the ONLY ONE of a group of 25 kids with the guts (and good sense) to call and report that one of their classmates was beaten to a pulp yesterday morning in front of them at the bus stop by his father....and then never showed up at school. The other kids just stood by laughing.

Sick to my stomach, that's where I am now. Can this four years end any faster????

yellowcampcat
02-27-2007, 08:11 AM
I'm so sorry. Your situation sounds terrible. I was a public and private school teacher here in the US, and I must say that my private school experience was much better. I had much more freedom to teach more information in an interesting way. In public school, it was all about making sure the kids got good scores on the state tests. Understanding different religions is one thing, but what your kids are learning sounds excessive to me. I think Muslims are making up more and more of the population in Europe, though...maybe the schools are succumbing to political pressure? :yuck: I'm assuming private schools are cost prohibitive for you? :hugs: mama, I guess I would pull them back out, or require that their learning be supplemented by you at home - maybe use some textbooks from a private curriculum?

HeidiMarie
02-28-2007, 11:17 AM
No fabulous, enlightening advice here just hugs to you, mama! This must be so hard on you. We've had some attitude problems around here with school this year as well, mostly from the 11 yo. I've been grappling with sending them to ps next year only because I feel like I can't keep up right now. It makes my heart hurt to even think about them going..then I read your post and I can only imagine your concern for your children right now. Hang in there! Heidi

mom2kdmb
02-28-2007, 11:26 AM
my ds is doing so much better since I pulled him out of a public school! I feel your pain.....I think our public schools have gone to h*** over the last 2 decades.