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zandj 12-26-2012 09:19 PM

Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
is it possible? DD is almost 3 months. EBF but sleeping through the night, roughly 10-12 hours consistently. Is charting reliable without having had a PP AF or any kind of cycle going?

GEM Cloth 12-27-2012 01:13 PM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
I'm interested in the experienced charting mamas' answers on this one! I'm just starting out with charting but from what I am learning, temping and checking CM would be awesome for you, that way you would know if/when you ovulate.

Kap7270 12-30-2012 04:17 PM

Some charting methods are much more accurate than others in this time period. The Creighton Model is based on cervical mucus only and is highly effective before the first PPAF. It can be a confusing time period, so it's especially important to get the advice of a good teacher.

kaydove 01-05-2013 01:53 PM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
I looking for help on this. I'm at 10 months no ppaf, slow to start solids so still nursing often at night. There's not a lot of info out there for mamas who still haven't gotten ppaf after many months, its almost assumed that you'll get it well before 6 months....
I plan to breastfeed till at least 2 years, child led weaning.

Kap7270 01-05-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kaydove
I looking for help on this. I'm at 10 months no ppaf, slow to start solids so still nursing often at night. There's not a lot of info out there for mamas who still haven't gotten ppaf after many months, its almost assumed that you'll get it well before 6 months....
I plan to breastfeed till at least 2 years, child led weaning.

What sort of help are you looking for? As I previously mentioned, I thought Creighton Model worked great. For DS, my PPAF didn't return until 10 month (he self-weaned at 16 months) and we didn't have any problems using it to avoid pregnancy. DD is now one month old, so we just started using it again to temporarily avoid pregnancy. Feel free to message me if you want more info.

Ebeuchat 01-05-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kap7270 (Post 16094384)
Some charting methods are much more accurate than others in this time period. The Creighton Model is based on cervical mucus only and is highly effective before the first PPAF. It can be a confusing time period, so it's especially important to get the advice of a good teacher.

This! Each time has been different for me. With baby #1 ppaf came at 6 mo, with #2 it came at 8 mo, and now with #3 I'm 13mo and no ppaf yet. Only #1 sttn at 4 mo, #2 sttn at 14 mo, and #3 has never sttn! Checking mucous has been very reliable for us, but temps are all over the place. We've taken an nfp refresher before each birth just to be updated!

kaydove 01-05-2013 07:37 PM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
If you're not ovulating than how can nfp be reliable? Do you just keep checking for eggwhite cervical fluid and if so assume you're fertile? What about creamy cf? Isn't that semi fertile? Are there typical fluids during breastfeeding regardless of fertility? Before I drop my first pp egg, would I follow a typical fertile pattern?

Prior to baby, I was very irregular and had a miscarriage. I actually used clomid second try. I had a hard time ovulating, my body would rev up a couple times before ovulating. I would ovulate cd 18 and have a 11 day lp.

Kap7270 01-05-2013 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kaydove
If you're not ovulating than how can nfp be reliable? Do you just keep checking for eggwhite cervical fluid and if so assume you're fertile? What about creamy cf? Isn't that semi fertile? Are there typical fluids during breastfeeding regardless of fertility? Before I drop my first pp egg, would I follow a typical fertile pattern?

Prior to baby, I was very irregular and had a miscarriage. I actually used clomid second try. I had a hard time ovulating, my body would rev up a couple times before ovulating. I would ovulate cd 18 and have a 11 day lp.

To simplify, you're looking for changes in your mucus discharge. Some women have a continuous discharge the entire time they breastfeed (which may even look like egg whites the entire time). And it is very normal to have patches of fertile mucus that come and go as your body is gearing up for the first pp ovulation. In fact, the first three cycles can be quite unusual. That's why it's so helpful to have a well educated teacher who can help you decipher the signs.
I'm very sorry to hear about your miscarriage. Some women who have difficulty conceiving find that a full-term pregnancy helps regulate things and they are able to conceive without any help (or even accidentally) the next time.

kaydove 01-05-2013 08:33 PM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
So do you avoid or use protection during patches of fertile mucus?

That's what I'm afraid of! We don't want anymore! I don't do well with hormonal bc, not all that interested in copper iud since copper earrings bug me to no end, and just now reading about complications and risks of vascetomy! Ahhh!

Kap7270 01-05-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kaydove
So do you avoid or use protection during patches of fertile mucus?

That's what I'm afraid of! We don't want anymore! I don't do well with hormonal bc, not all that interested in copper iud since copper earrings bug me to no end, and just now reading about complications and risks of vascetomy! Ahhh!

Avoid. But in the case of a woman with continuous mucus, clearly all of it is not fertile (even if it looks like egg whites). That's where the teacher helps - so you can identify which days are truly potentially fertile.

kaydove 01-05-2013 08:44 PM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
This has been very helpful! Once hubby gets hired from being laid off, I'll look into getting a teacher. Thank you so much for answering my questions!

OP - So sorry for hijacking the thread!!

Kap7270 01-05-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kaydove
This has been very helpful! Once hubby gets hired from being laid off, I'll look into getting a teacher. Thank you so much for answering my questions!

OP - So sorry for hijacking the thread!!

You are very welcome. Many teachers are willing to reduce their fees in cases of financial hardship so please keep that in mind :)

Good luck!

doulaK 01-08-2013 10:15 AM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
I am totally checking Creighton out, i have never heard of it, thanks!

l_Kimmie_l 01-08-2013 10:22 AM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
I was charting prior to AF comin back and got pregnant first PP 'o' due to it not being seen till after the temp rise and it is too late. I would not rely on this method alone till you are regular with AF/o again. You are supposed to use 3 months of charting with a regular cycle to determine when to avoid.

kaydove 01-08-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by doulaK (Post 16130295)
I am totally checking Creighton out, i have never heard of it, thanks!

I didn't find much info online, that's why I asked Kap7270 so many questions :). Although I didn't look very hard so I'm sure its out there somewhere.

kaydove 01-08-2013 01:31 PM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
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Originally Posted by l_Kimmie_l (Post 16130318)
I was charting prior to AF comin back and got pregnant first PP 'o' due to it not being seen till after the temp rise and it is too late. I would not rely on this method alone till you are regular with AF/o again. You are supposed to use 3 months of charting with a regular cycle to determine when to avoid.

That's what I'm afraid of. If you don't mind me asking what month pp did you get pregnant?

l_Kimmie_l 01-09-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kaydove (Post 16131219)
That's what I'm afraid of. If you don't mind me asking what month pp did you get pregnant?

6 months PP. My boys are 15 months apart.

Kap7270 01-16-2013 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by l_Kimmie_l
I was charting prior to AF comin back and got pregnant first PP 'o' due to it not being seen till after the temp rise and it is too late. I would not rely on this method alone till you are regular with AF/o again. You are supposed to use 3 months of charting with a regular cycle to determine when to avoid.

This may be true of some methods, but Creighton can be relied on after one month of charting (regardless of regular or irregular cycles). It relies on cervical mucus which gives advance notice of ovulation instead of temperatures which only confirm things after the fact. The instructions of when to avoid evolve as the couple becomes more familiar with the method, but beginning instructions are provided after one month of charting.

SDJeannieZ3 01-21-2013 02:43 PM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
I need this too. My PP AF had returned, but it's crazy irregular! In the past when I charted I used temps, but they aren't reliable unless you have 6 hours uninterrupted sleep before taking the temp and I certainly *DO NOT* get 6 hours in a row... ever! Plus, like PP mentioned, temps only confirm ovulation until after you have 3 months of consistent and accurate charting, which at this rate will be never.

gracekissed 02-02-2013 10:34 PM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
I was able to positively identify impending ovulation by watching CF, and then confirm it by using temps at 10 months PP. I had previously taken a course with a Creighton instructor, which was very helpful when it came time to determine when we were safe or not after I delivered. I just wanted to give a thumbs up to "it can be done" if you know what you're doing!

My daughter was still eating every 2 hours or less around the clock at that time, and I still ovulated- just a reminder that there's a reason that the Lactational Amenorrhea Method is only 99% reliable *until 6 months.* After that, well, every woman and every baby is different, so it's better to know what to look for.

tibeca 02-04-2013 11:25 AM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
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Originally Posted by gracekissed (Post 16241049)
My daughter was still eating every 2 hours or less around the clock at that time, and I still ovulated- just a reminder that there's a reason that the Lactational Amenorrhea Method is only 99% reliable *until 6 months.* After that, well, every woman and every baby is different, so it's better to know what to look for.

*** LAM is not 100% effective for every woman, so it is really important to know your body. I know a woman that is religious (so doesn't use any form of bc), breastfeeds 100%, no paci's etc., and all of her 8 children were conceived by the time she was 3 months pp. I strongly advise every woman to not use LAM alone. Use LAM while monitoring for other signs of fertility.

zandj 02-04-2013 11:40 AM

Re: Charting while BFing w/ no PP AF?
 
and this is why DH and I are just not DTD :giggle: much safer that way, I can't risk my supply for at least the next 8 months!!

DD is still nursing before and after every nap so every 2-3 hours during the day but sleeps approx 11 hours at night so I am just expecting AF to show up... so far she hasn't though!


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