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mel j 03-04-2014 09:58 PM

Common Core article
 
http://www.tnparents.com/2/post/2014...mmon-core.html

Just curious for others' thoughts on this. I'm still trying to understand that math problem. I don't get it...

ktmelody 03-04-2014 10:16 PM

Re: Common Core article
 
I get the math problem. But it is in no way appropriate for average 7 year olds.



Common core will hurt our children in more ways than one.

Macyllehub 03-04-2014 10:20 PM

Re: Common Core article
 
I understand the math problem as well but common core is something I seriously oppose and a (minor, I have others) reason for home educating my children.

mommypockets 03-04-2014 10:21 PM

If this is really the future of math, we may homeschool!

me_just_me 03-04-2014 10:42 PM

Re: Common Core article
 
I understand the problem and actually use a math program that teaches that method but in a very understandable way.

I think it becomes hard to judge whether it is too hard or not depending on how it is taught and presented to the kids. If this is something that has been explained and practiced many times in class, I think it would be fine, but the problem is we don't know. We are only seeing the homework questions without any instruction. THAT I think is where this is going to fall apart. The parents need to know HOW to help their kids. If that link in the chain is missing, it will fail. Also, if the information isn't taught clearly and incrementally, it will also fail.

For my DD the steps were simple. First they practiced "completing tens", pretty much learning the tens family really well. Then they would get a problem that asked 8 + X = 10. This solidified their understanding of making tens. Next they would get a problem like the one in the article, but they would be walked through the problem. 8 + 6 = X. First they would be asked what do you need to add to the 8 to make ten? The kid would immediately know "2" from all the "making tens" practice. Then they would have the kid take the 6 and break it into the 2 and 4 in a very visual way. The 8 and 2 would be shown grouped together to make a ten and the 4 left over is then just added to 10, so 14. It sounds like a long, arduous task written out here, but let me say that it is much easier to add 10 + 4 = 14 in your head than to memorize by rote 8 + 6 = 14. It becomes so easy and intuitive for the kids and they can learn to add in their heads very fast!

Granted, I'm sure there are many kids for whom this might be too hard or too complicated, but broken down into easy steps my 6 year old had no problems with it.

happysmileylady 03-04-2014 11:29 PM

Re: Common Core article
 
I am confused. The article was about standardized testing. I thought common for was a set of standards to be uniform across the country. Is it actually a "curriculum in a box" type of deal that lays out how teachers are supposed to teach and specific methods o assessments to use?

mel j 03-04-2014 11:35 PM

Re: Common Core article
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by me_just_me (Post 17278611)
I understand the problem and actually use a math program that teaches that method but in a very understandable way.

I think it becomes hard to judge whether it is too hard or not depending on how it is taught and presented to the kids. If this is something that has been explained and practiced many times in class, I think it would be fine, but the problem is we don't know. We are only seeing the homework questions without any instruction. THAT I think is where this is going to fall apart. The parents need to know HOW to help their kids. If that link in the chain is missing, it will fail. Also, if the information isn't taught clearly and incrementally, it will also fail.

For my DD the steps were simple. First they practiced "completing tens", pretty much learning the tens family really well. Then they would get a problem that asked 8 + X = 10. This solidified their understanding of making tens. Next they would get a problem like the one in the article, but they would be walked through the problem. 8 + 6 = X. First they would be asked what do you need to add to the 8 to make ten? The kid would immediately know "2" from all the "making tens" practice. Then they would have the kid take the 6 and break it into the 2 and 4 in a very visual way. The 8 and 2 would be shown grouped together to make a ten and the 4 left over is then just added to 10, so 14. It sounds like a long, arduous task written out here, but let me say that it is much easier to add 10 + 4 = 14 in your head than to memorize by rote 8 + 6 = 14. It becomes so easy and intuitive for the kids and they can learn to add in their heads very fast!

Granted, I'm sure there are many kids for whom this might be too hard or too complicated, but broken down into easy steps my 6 year old had no problems with it.

Thank you!! I finally get it. :) This has been bothering me for the past 3 hours. :blush: Now I think I can try to sleep. lol. I think you're right, too... it depends if the instructions are included or not. And if they are taught clearly.

eta: I think I was partly confused because of the author's use of the words multiply and divide when I only see adding and subtracting.

nohollyhomaker 03-05-2014 01:57 AM

Re: Common Core article
 
I actually like that method of teaching math. I been seeing tons of ZOMG common core is evil posts look at how they do math now! I don't think common core is the answer to the education problem at all but the common core isn't a method of doing math or a curriculum it is a set of standards. It purpose isn't to force kids do math in silly ways and have hours of homework. If that is the case it is on the school, the teacher or the curriculum.

The common core doesn't say what curriculum to use. I actually really like the make ten strategy. It teaches kids how to do problems in their head and is a strategy used in a lot of different popular curriculums like Singapore. I don't like that one particular worksheet example but it doesn't show what else they have been doing in class on the concept prior to getting that worksheet. The make 10 strategy is not too complicated for kids to understand. I like when they teach kids what they are doing so they really understand it.

7 for now 03-05-2014 05:20 AM

I have 2 cousins, 1 aunt and 1 friend that are teachers. One is a Math teacher specifically. They all HATE common core. I do too. That math problem is unbelievable. My SIL's dd is struggling in 1st grade math and my SIL has no clue how to help her. That is a disgrace. Numbers are numbers, why take a billion steps when it can take 1?!? Thank heaven's we homeschool and will never teach math that way.

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foggierbard9 03-05-2014 05:52 AM

Re: Common Core article
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by happysmileylady (Post 17278695)
I am confused. The article was about standardized testing. I thought common for was a set of standards to be uniform across the country. Is it actually a "curriculum in a box" type of deal that lays out how teachers are supposed to teach and specific methods o assessments to use?

Common Core is a set of standards as well as a new plethora of standardized tests to "check" the teaching of the standards...the thing is that in order to meet the standards a new curriculum has to be bought/put into place in all the states and the publishers of said curriculum helped with the creation of the Common Core Standards.


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