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l_Kimmie_l 09-17-2012 02:21 PM

Talk to Me About ODD
 
DS3 is very hard. He was diagnosed with Sensory Integration Disorder and Behavoir Disorder. He os only 3 so it can be hard to tell what is 3 and what is not. He just got out of his school for special needs for being too smart. Great, I never thought he was not smart and he does not have a delay, he has behavoirs.

He cannot sit still, is on some one 24/7, seeking stimuli constantly, refuses to listen, says no to everything (even things he likes), extremely loud, and is horribly distructive. People have mentioned ODD. What is your ODD child like? I have 1 with OCD and 1 with PDD-NOS. He is nothing like either.

mommabritt 09-17-2012 09:17 PM

I have an almost 7yo with PDD NOS and ODD. I haven't decided if he does have ODD or if he is just stubborn and exaggerated by his ASD. It is rough though. He is so argumentative and hurtful with his words when he is mad. It's a constant cycle and I have to force myself to walk away any not rear other than moving him to his room or he escalates.

l_Kimmie_l 09-18-2012 06:39 AM

Re: Talk to Me About ODD
 
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Originally Posted by mommabritt (Post 15696854)
I have an almost 7yo with PDD NOS and ODD. I haven't decided if he does have ODD or if he is just stubborn and exaggerated by his ASD. It is rough though. He is so argumentative and hurtful with his words when he is mad. It's a constant cycle and I have to force myself to walk away any not rear other than moving him to his room or he escalates.

That is how my son is. He will keep going and going and saying mean things. Well, as mean as a 3 yr old can say. He is so persistant and does not let up. It is very frustrating.

My other son has PDD NOS and he presererates too, but not agressively. He gets upset or asks over and over in a calm way. Almost like OCD. It tends to be obsessive. He will have a tantrum or two here and there, but nothing like his younger brother.

ralenth 09-18-2012 07:21 AM

Re: Talk to Me About ODD
 
My 10 year old was originally diagnosed with ADHD and ODD, though I never really agreed with the ODD diagnosis. His diagnosis is now Aspergers, ADHD, and anxiety. He is explosive, but there is always a reason for the explosion. He also had sensory issues when he was younger, though the ADHD meds have helped that quite a bit, and as he's gotten older he's learned how to deal with his sensory issues better as well.

Anyway, it's my understanding that ODD is rarely a standalone diagnosis, it always comes with something else. Until you get the underlying issue taken care of (what our original doctor thought was ADHD), the ODD is going to be out of control. Once the ADHD was better, we could work on the ODD. Does that make sense? Though, like I said, I never agreed with the ODD diagnosis in our case. He's not oppositional defiant, hes got quirks.

like the PP he can be nasty with his words, and I've got to make sure I do not argue back, because he always has to have the last word, and always escalates. I just send him to his room - first time is "until you calm down" the second time is until I say when. But the point is usually not punishment so much as to give him a space to calm his body and mind down.

l_Kimmie_l 09-18-2012 07:26 AM

Re: Talk to Me About ODD
 
They are thinking he may have ADHD or ADD, but they are not sure yet as he is too young to diagnose. I have never seen a child so defiant in my life. He not only perserverates, he cannot take no (or even yes sometimes) for an answer. He is fighting with my DH now about HIM not changing the channel, I have to do it. It is just silly. He gets right peeved and acts horrible. Makes it hard to want to be around him and stay calm.

iris0110 09-18-2012 01:15 PM

Re: Talk to Me About ODD
 
My youngest is like this, he just has to keep going and keep arguing. He goes is waves though. He will also do things to get even or to punish people (he wets his pants when he is mad on occasion, or pees on the floor in the bathroom). He will argue with me even when I am not talking to him, like sitting on the couch just repeating "You can't make me do it, I'm not going to." Long after everyone else has stopped talking. My oldest has PDD NOS, SPD and Anxiety NOS but this is not the same. I however am Bipolar, SPD and a host of anxiety diagnosis. When I was a teen my psychiatrist did tack on ODD but it has been dropped. I have a problem with taking directions "attitude problems" and defiance. I've had that problem since I was a child. Part of it comes from a fear of "looking stupid" or failing at things. I will not follow directions if I don't understand perfectly what I am being asked to do and I tend to lash out violently at those times (this is particularly true in physical activities like PE when I was a child and TKD now, dh loves being my TKD instructor :blush: ). I have learned how to blend in and manage many of these behaviors. I see similar types of behaviors in my oldest but instead of lashing out he cries and hides. Tharen doesn't seem to have any fear of "looking stupid" he just argues for the sake of argument. He has to win all of the time however his need to argue comes in waves. It can change daily, weekly or even over the course of hours. Sometimes he is compliant (at least reasonably) and other times he can't say yes even to things he enjoys. He can't hold still and he has to do the exact opposite of anything he knows is expected of him. I can be holding his hand in the parking lot and say to him "don't run off, a car will hit you" and he will look into my eyes and smile while ripping his hand out of mine and darting across the parking lot. He has a desperate need to disobey me.

Tharen was receiving behavioral therapy from his pediatrician (he is a developmental specialist) but it finally got to a point where we realized we needed a full diagnosis. He was referred out to a developmental behavioral specialist for "Oppositional and defiant behavior". I did think we were looking at an ODD diagnosis but after all of the paper work I filled out and his second TKD instructor filled out (we homeschool so no teacher) and testing he received a diagnosis of Mood Disorder NOS and ADHD. His doctor said he could label him ODD but he doesn't like that diagnosis as it isn't really a diagnosis at all just a pattern of behavior that is typically caused by another diagnosis, in Tharen's case it is really the "Mood Disorder" causing his behaviors. When he gets older he will probably be diagnosed bipolar but they don't like to do that in children as young as he is. He will also most likely lose the ADHD diagnosis.

This has been my experience with ODD. My oldest would never be diagnosed with it as he is a very compliant child but when he is upset or thinks he can't do something he will throw a pretty good fit about it complete with crying. I have been diagnosed with ODD in the past and some of the things that make me so defiant are the same things that make my oldest melt down. I just react differently. I have other defiant qualities though. My youngest does beat us all in his ability to argue about everything all of the time and in his lack of impulse control. We have been working on some behavior modification techniques and he is on medication now for bipolar and it does seem to finally be working.

l_Kimmie_l 09-18-2012 01:57 PM

Re: Talk to Me About ODD
 
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Originally Posted by iris0110 (Post 15699462)
My youngest is like this, he just has to keep going and keep arguing. He goes is waves though. He will also do things to get even or to punish people (he wets his pants when he is mad on occasion, or pees on the floor in the bathroom). He will argue with me even when I am not talking to him, like sitting on the couch just repeating "You can't make me do it, I'm not going to." Long after everyone else has stopped talking. My oldest has PDD NOS, SPD and Anxiety NOS but this is not the same. I however am Bipolar, SPD and a host of anxiety diagnosis. When I was a teen my psychiatrist did tack on ODD but it has been dropped. I have a problem with taking directions "attitude problems" and defiance. I've had that problem since I was a child. Part of it comes from a fear of "looking stupid" or failing at things. I will not follow directions if I don't understand perfectly what I am being asked to do and I tend to lash out violently at those times (this is particularly true in physical activities like PE when I was a child and TKD now, dh loves being my TKD instructor :blush: ). I have learned how to blend in and manage many of these behaviors. I see similar types of behaviors in my oldest but instead of lashing out he cries and hides. Tharen doesn't seem to have any fear of "looking stupid" he just argues for the sake of argument. He has to win all of the time however his need to argue comes in waves. It can change daily, weekly or even over the course of hours. Sometimes he is compliant (at least reasonably) and other times he can't say yes even to things he enjoys. He can't hold still and he has to do the exact opposite of anything he knows is expected of him. I can be holding his hand in the parking lot and say to him "don't run off, a car will hit you" and he will look into my eyes and smile while ripping his hand out of mine and darting across the parking lot. He has a desperate need to disobey me.

Tharen was receiving behavioral therapy from his pediatrician (he is a developmental specialist) but it finally got to a point where we realized we needed a full diagnosis. He was referred out to a developmental behavioral specialist for "Oppositional and defiant behavior". I did think we were looking at an ODD diagnosis but after all of the paper work I filled out and his second TKD instructor filled out (we homeschool so no teacher) and testing he received a diagnosis of Mood Disorder NOS and ADHD. His doctor said he could label him ODD but he doesn't like that diagnosis as it isn't really a diagnosis at all just a pattern of behavior that is typically caused by another diagnosis, in Tharen's case it is really the "Mood Disorder" causing his behaviors. When he gets older he will probably be diagnosed bipolar but they don't like to do that in children as young as he is. He will also most likely lose the ADHD diagnosis.

This has been my experience with ODD. My oldest would never be diagnosed with it as he is a very compliant child but when he is upset or thinks he can't do something he will throw a pretty good fit about it complete with crying. I have been diagnosed with ODD in the past and some of the things that make me so defiant are the same things that make my oldest melt down. I just react differently. I have other defiant qualities though. My youngest does beat us all in his ability to argue about everything all of the time and in his lack of impulse control. We have been working on some behavior modification techniques and he is on medication now for bipolar and it does seem to finally be working.

Thank you so much. I have OCD and general anxiety - NOS. I was diagnosed with Bipolar at one time, but it was taken back years later. I also am defiant like you are. It can really bite my butt at times. I wonder what Quinn has. Some days we think ADHD, other days we think nothing, we just do not know. He sounds a lot like your son.


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