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vintagegyrl 01-02-2013 10:15 AM

Getting Baby to STTN
 
Any thoughts or suggestions on getting baby to sleep 6 hrs. at a planned interval?

Baby is 8.5 mos. he eats 3 servings of #2 baby food per day. Nurses about every 4 hours. Ay sooner than this and we don't get great feedings which starts a vicious cycle of not getting enough milk. His naps are 10am-12, and 2:30-4:30 roughly... with a bedtime of 8:30 because any earlier than that and he thinks 4am is awake time!!!

At night, Currently is sleeping usually from 8:30-12 (on average) and then nursing usually - then sleeping until 4:00 am & nursing then sleeping until 7:30.

i am starting to have major mental clarity and processing problems from the lack of sleep. I homeschool my oldest 2 boys ages 9 & 6. I have 3 other children, ages 4, 2 and the baby. All are boys except the 4yo. I feel liike i can not get thru the morning doing any sort of school without my brain crashing. I eat fairly well, no gluten, high protein diet because of other health issues. it is no longer just my diet, or MAYBE it is because i am getting older and the lack of sleep/high stress is taking its toll faster??

Not sure what to do. Take a nap in the afternoon? it is hard to fit this in with a toddler AND baby since their naps are different. but maybe I can arrange the schedule to do this.

Problem is I was just going to switch our school schedule so the older boys are doing 3 R's during the afternoon naps because i am having so much trouble splitting my mental processing during the morning hours. Simply pu, doing school with the toddler awake is too much for me. :(

Any thoughts? how should I adjust baby's schedule so that he is sleeping more of an 12-6? even 11-5am is doable...

thanks mamas!!

cdeweese 01-02-2013 10:17 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
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l_Kimmie_l 01-02-2013 10:22 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
Our babies are the same age and I would love a little less needing to suckle on mom all night, a little more deep sleeping. I need to eventually separate the crib from our bed soon as he really needs his own space, but do not see it happening in the current senario. I have no advice, only shared sympathy.

vintagegyrl 01-02-2013 11:12 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
Yeah. it's starting to affect my days, the long term deprivation. I thought it was a much needed vacation. DH was home a lot on Xmas break. We did a long school break, I got lots of naps, but another night of broken sleep and i'm back to the same fogginess. I thought it was something else but I think it is just related to lack of sleep.

Sometimes DS doesn;t even wake to nurse! he won't eat some nights (teething) or needing a diaper change. even in a sposie!!

i will ask DH to move the crib tonight. Problem is which room it should go in. 3 boys in one room, and DD in another but she sleeps with the light on at first... :(
her room has room for the crib the other currently doesnt unless we remove dressers... ugh we need a 4bdrm house. lol

HeatherlovesCDs 01-02-2013 11:20 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
Do you nurse the baby to sleep? If so, you might consider trying to stop that. I don't nurse any of my babies to sleep. Personally, I think it creates the need to nurse to go back to sleep. So, when baby wakes in the middle of the night, he is unable to put himself back to sleep because he needs to nurse to go to sleep. Of course, this is just a generalization, but I've found this to be true with my 6 children.

If that isn't the case or you don't want to stop, you could just trying cutting out the 12 (or 4am) feeding by comforting baby back to sleep in other ways. I'd have dad do it because he can't nurse.

Good luck! I have 6 who are 7 and under and homeschool too. I don't do well without proper sleep. I would be struggling too. The not nursing to sleep is what I've done with my kids and they all slept through by 12 wks. This baby is almost 3 months and sleeping 7-9 hrs at night. (I pump after he goes to sleep to keep up supply. I've tried waking him to "dream feed," but he won't do it. :giggle:)

l_Kimmie_l 01-02-2013 11:22 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
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Originally Posted by HeatherlovesCDs (Post 16105296)
Do you nurse the baby to sleep? If so, you might consider trying to stop that. I don't nurse any of my babies to sleep. Personally, I think it creates the need to nurse to go back to sleep. So, when baby wakes in the middle of the night, he is unable to put himself back to sleep because he needs to nurse to go to sleep. Of course, this is just a generalization, but I've found this to be true with my 6 children.

If that isn't the case or you don't want to stop, you could just trying cutting out the 12 (or 4am) feeding by comforting baby back to sleep in other ways. I'd have dad do it because he can't nurse.

Good luck! I have 6 who are 7 and under and homeschool too. I don't do well without proper sleep. I would be struggling too. The not nursing to sleep is what I've done with my kids and they all slept through by 12 wks. This baby is almost 3 months and sleeping 7-9 hrs at night. (I pump after he goes to sleep to keep up supply. I've tried waking him to "dream feed," but he won't do it. :giggle:)

I agree. I nurse to sleep and always have and had to nurse back to sleep to get any of mine down. Could be coincidental, but I doubt it. Once the habit is there, it is hard to break for sure. Good luck.

HeatherlovesCDs 01-02-2013 11:23 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
What if you put the crib in your room, but not next to your bed? I think we are going to do that even though we have a room for the baby if we want to use it. (I'd rather keep my 2.5 year olds separated and have my daughter have her own room. We have 5 boys and only 1 girl. Right now, the girl is in with her brothers by choice, but she needs to move because she is the trouble maker at night. LOL!)

vintagegyrl 01-02-2013 11:25 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
The crib is not next to our bed anymore.
I can't ask my DH to get up with baby. he was done with the lack of sleep after #2. lol.
He will at some times, because he is already leaving the house at 5am - he will sometimes go to the gym late so I can get some sleep and rock DS to sleep if he is having a rough morning, etc. (like at 4:30 am, etc.)
but usually DH needs that sound sleep even if he gets woken or he doesn;t function well that day. it's like the lesser of the 2 evils since I am home all day.

I will try what you suggested. I don't ever nurse to sleep except I have always for those middle of the night feedings since he was a newborn, and then lately it happens because his nursing times will be 4:30 and 8:30 and 9pm is bed so he just falls asleep at that last feeding.. not sure how to stop that.

how do you not nurse to sleep in the middle of the night? when you have a newbie?? don't you just naturally nurse them in bed for those late 12am or 2am feedings so that you can get some sleep? or do you feed them and keep them up? mine always went back to sleep after those early morning feedings... but aside from that I have never nursed to sleep. During the day, it has always been: wake, feed, play, sleep. repeat.

Nerissa 01-02-2013 11:41 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
I would try moving the crib. All three of mine STTN by 3 months but they sleep in their own cribs in their own room. If they wake at night I get up and nurse and put them back to bed. I WOH full time and need what little sleep I get. I nurse right before bed.

HeatherlovesCDs 01-02-2013 11:43 AM

Re: Getting Baby to STTN
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagegyrl (Post 16105336)
The crib is not next to our bed anymore.
I can't ask my DH to get up with baby. he was done with the lack of sleep after #2. lol.
He will at some times, because he is already leaving the house at 5am - he will sometimes go to the gym late so I can get some sleep and rock DS to sleep if he is having a rough morning, etc. (like at 4:30 am, etc.)
but usually DH needs that sound sleep even if he gets woken or he doesn;t function well that day. it's like the lesser of the 2 evils since I am home all day.

I will try what you suggested. I don't ever nurse to sleep except I have always for those middle of the night feedings since he was a newborn, and then lately it happens because his nursing times will be 4:30 and 8:30 and 9pm is bed so he just falls asleep at that last feeding.. not sure how to stop that.

how do you not nurse to sleep in the middle of the night? when you have a newbie?? don't you just naturally nurse them in bed for those late 12am or 2am feedings so that you can get some sleep? or do you feed them and keep them up? mine always went back to sleep after those early morning feedings... but aside from that I have never nursed to sleep. During the day, it has always been: wake, feed, play, sleep. repeat.

With newborns, they do often fall asleep nursing, but I don't purpose to nurse them them to sleep. I almost always nurse downstairs with everyone else. Then, I change their diaper and put their PJ's on and whatever else before laying them down for the night. Of course, newborns do fall asleep nursing. I don't wake them up on purpose either to put them to bed awake. Hopefully, that makes sense. With my other 5 children, I got up and nursed them in a rocker for every night feeding (or on the couch to do both my twins at the same time). As soon as they were done or falling asleep on me, I put them back in their own crib. I didn't often take them in bed with me allowing us both to fall asleep with baby nursing. I don't change diapers at night or turn on any lights. (Of course, if baby is poppy I do. It's just generally speaking. Newborns often have poop even at night.) I also don't jump up with each noise I hear. I give the baby a few minutes to settle and see if they are really awake or just transitioning through sleep cycles. If the baby starts really crying, I get them of course.

I use the feed, play, sleep routine as well during the day.

With this baby, I had every intention of nursing him during the night till up to about a year because I have had supply issues in the past. I did put him in bed with me at night when he woke to nurse. I assumed this would mean he would continue the night waking. But, instead, he slept through earlier than any of my other babies! He now sleeps in the bassinet almost all night and comes into my bed in the AM when he wakes up to nurse around 6-7am.

At 8.5 months, what I would do is just stop that 12am feeding. If he wakes up, first, I'd delay going in for a few minutes to see if he will go back to sleep if he isn't crying hard. Then, I'd comfort him in other ways and not nurse. If you don't give in and refuse to nurse at that feeding, it should only take a few days to a week at most for him to get used to not needing it. He will probably start sleeping through it. Of course, it's possible he will stop nursing, but still want to wake and be comforted by you. In that case, I'd gradually do as little interaction as possible to get him back to sleep. Like start with rocking him for a night or so, then just pick him up for a minute and pat his back, then not pick him up but pat his back.

Of course, this is just what *I* would do. I totally respect that it isn't the only way to handle the situation. I hope you can find something that works for you soon. :hugs:

ETA - If you are still nursing your 8.5 month old right before bed and he has a tendency to fall asleep nursing at that time, I'd move the nursing to the main area put PJ's and such on after to break that habit.


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