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Angel3167 06-24-2008 06:35 PM

Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
I know there have been these before but my sister kept saying that if you don't circumsize your boys that later in life they can have there forsk!n grow closed around the pen!s and make it painful and infected. She said to ask my mom (she worked at a urologists office.)
I told her that if it was somthing that happened to my son (I don't have one yet) that it's something that he would have to make the decision on doing in his adult life. She said no man would do that and it's worse.
If I did have a boy with my first child DH and I argued if it was a boy about circumsion. I said yes he said no. Now I wouldn't because it's important to me and everyone seems to definately point to no. I do think it's mean.
So you tell me, since I haven't really bothered to research it. What are cons of circumsion with a baby? That way when my sis and SIL start in I'll have more references for them :giggle:

JeDeeLenae 06-24-2008 06:37 PM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
I won't go into the cons, but of course someone in a urologists office would see loads of issues with pen1ses. It just seems weird that that would be why they're concerned. Should we not have feet because of corns and bunions?

iris0110 06-24-2008 07:03 PM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
The cons are that you are performing cosmetic surgery on a newborn without his consent. You are removing an important body part, a body part that all male mamals have. If it wasn't supposed to be there or if it was really a problem why would all male mamals have a forskin? It just doesn't make sense. The facts are that over 85% of the worlds male population is intact without any problem. The US is the only developed nation that continues to circumcise male babies. There are no down sides to leaving a baby intact. Phimosis is incredibly rare, true phimosis happens in less than .001% of all intact men, and in most cases can be treated with stretching exercises and steriod creams. If you look at Scandanavian countries where cricumcisions are only performed for true medical necessity the rate of boys and men being circumcised is under .00001%.

That is the true chance you would have for your child to actually need a medical circumcision. However there are things that you should keep in mind. In the US dr's do not know how to care for an intact penis. They think normal things like a boys forskin being fused at birth or past age two is a sign of a problem and requires circumcision. The truth is that the forskin should be fused at birth, and it will remain fused until it is ready to naturally seperate, somtime before puberty for most boys, though there are a handful who will retract after puberty and a very small minority who will never retract on their own. In those cases stretching exercises and steriod creams can help them retract if they find their non-retractible status problematic. No adult should ever retract a child's forskin. The only person who should retract the forskin is the child, because they know to stop when it hurts. Dr's may tell you to retract and clean under it, this is very wrong and will cause damage to your child, often resulting in infections and a form of phimosis caused by scar tissue. This will not happen on it's own, only if the forskin is repeatedly retracted by some one other than it's owner. Intact penises are very easy to clean, you simply wipe down the outside like you would a finger. Swish it around in clean bath water at bath time and that is all. Couldn't be easier. You will have to keep an eye out for dr's or nurses or grandparents tring to retract to peek or clean. THis should never ever be done. Other than that there isn't much to know about the intact penis. When it is time for retraction to begin it may become a touch red or itchy. It may also "ballooon" which happens when part of the forskin has seperated, but not all, allowing urine to be retained breifly in the forskin. This is natural and actually a good thing. It helps the forskin to finish seperating and as gross as it sounds urine actually helps keep it clean. Urine is sterile. Smegma is the other thing you should know about. Men have smegma jsut like women, it is the natural cleaning and lubricating of the organ. It is not an infection and does not hurt anything.

The glans is meant to be an internal organ. When it becomes external (through cricumcision) sensation is lost. ED is far more common at a much younger age in circumcised men than in intact men. Premature ejaculation is also more common in circumcised men. There is the risk of death with circumcision as with any other surgery. There is the risk of full penile amputation, severe infection, bleeding problems, breastfeeding problems, meteal stenosis, and permanent scarring and mutiliation leaving the penis non-functional. Are these risks really worth it for cosmetic surgery?

ETA: there is a sticky at the top of the forum with plenty of links for why circumcision is bad. And if you want more let me know, I'm on my dh's lap top now, but I have them on my desktop and can get them for you.

snangel 06-24-2008 07:33 PM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
This is Canadian, but still good
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Circumcis..._Children.aspx

Penn and Teller video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...91532653693892

A good site out of California
http://fresnofamily.com/pgbirth/circ.htm

CIRP.org
http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

Some thoughts of another great momma....
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=781890

circumstitions
http://www.circumstitions.com/Itsaboy.html

A good article
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...fHec#PPA104,M1

An article out of Toronto Canada
http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1f21e.htm

UTI graph
http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1f21e.htm

My My space
http://www.myspace.com/rubyslittlenethome

This is a huge decision and one that you really need to research. Obviously my 3 sons are intact, and I am fully against infant circumcision. If my sons want to do cosmetic surgery that would end in the loss of 20,000 nerve endings they can go right ahead. For the record, my dh, and sons (all intact) have never had any problems of any kind. Circumcision only hurts and injures the most vulnerable of our society there is no good reason to do it. No medical organization, or children s rights committee endorse it. Every one of them is against it. Some to the extent of calling it a human rights cause, and labeling it MGM. You will not find a good reason to do it, that is legitimate.

nini02 06-24-2008 08:14 PM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snangel (Post 3965206)

This is a huge decision and one that you really need to research. Obviously my 3 sons are intact, and I am fully against infant circumcision. If my sons want to do cosmetic surgery that would end in the loss of 20,000 nerve endings they can go right ahead. For the record, my dh, and sons (all intact) have never had any problems of any kind. Please re think your choice. Circumcision only hurts and injures the most vulnerable of our society there is no good reason to do it. No medical organization, or children s rights committee endorse it. Every one of them is against it. Some to the extent of calling it a human rights cause, and labeling it MGM. You will not find a good reason to do it, that is legitimate.

:yeahthat: If you do the research, you will not find any logical reasons to put your son through that trauma. Every benefit they've come up with for circumcision has, when a little science and/or critical thinking is applied, been shown to be false or blown out of proportion.

raelynn 06-24-2008 09:34 PM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snangel (Post 3965206)
Please re think your choice.

She said she's against circumcision, and just wants more information so she can counter her pro-circ sis and SIL. :thumbsup:

snangel 06-25-2008 01:29 AM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by raelynn (Post 3966520)
She said she's against circumcision, and just wants more information so she can counter her pro-circ sis and SIL. :thumbsup:

She said she would have circed her first, and is now rethinking that choice.:thumbsup:

JeDeeLenae 06-25-2008 09:19 AM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snangel (Post 3967745)
She said she would have circed her first, and is now rethinking that choice.:thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel3617
If I did have a boy with my first child DH and I argued if it was a boy about circumsion. I said yes he said no. Now I wouldn't because it's important to me and everyone seems to definately point to no. I do think it's mean.

I think she just said she wouldn't. :)

Angel3167 06-25-2008 09:43 AM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
Sorry for any confusion :) I wouldn't of circumsized my first if it would of been a boy but when I was first pregnant that's what I thought I should do.

MamaToBe84 06-25-2008 02:04 PM

Re: Yes another circumcision post-no flaming!
 
heres the way i explained it: is it easier to keep your eyeball clean with an eyelid, or would it be easier with NO eyelid?

i always thought that circumcision was just what you did.. then when i joined this site, i got more info from these awesome mamas and started doing my own research. I just couldnt fathom doing that to my child for absolutely no reason. I have a high incidence of breast cancer in my family, but i would not have a prophylactic mastectomy, but if i did, it'd be MY choice. I wouldnt have wanted my mother to give me a mastectomy at birth just because i "could maybe possibly" get breast cancer some day. :2cents:


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