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shorkiegirl 04-16-2010 10:52 AM

If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_spe...ce_denial.html

Here is Michael Specter's talk at the TED (Technology Entertainment Design) conference this year. His language is easily digestible (i.e. not science-y) though if you want experimental, statistical back-up for the things he is saying, they exist on PubMed and various other databases of scientific research. If you're not interested or don't "believe" in science, I don't expect that a talk like this will convince you of anything, though it may still be worthwhile.

I noticed that there are a lot of "non-vaxing" supporters on this site and while I am normally a live and let live kind of person, this tolerance ends when a widespread frenzy based on non-scientific anecdotes threatens to shift the demography of the planet and undo decades of progress. I don't mean to be didactic, and you can take it or leave it as you wish, but I consider it part of my role as a biologist and a (soon-to-be) parent to inform where I can.

Thanks and enjoy :goodvibes:

Terra 04-16-2010 11:16 AM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
I *personally* think you may need to do a bit more research. We "non-vaxers" do not put anyone at anymore risk than vaxing parents. :2cents:

DesertRat 04-16-2010 11:20 AM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
The way I see it, there are always two sides to the story. Do some research and you'll find plenty of science that backs up why many parents choose not to vaccinate or at least delay them. Besides, statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to say. So I tend to ignore statistical evidence on both sides of the argument. But when there is science showing that the ingredients in vaccines can and do cause bodily harm, I take notice.

descrstn 04-16-2010 11:26 AM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
I like how when people say progress they never say in what direction!

I agree about world hunger. (This is why I only eat sustainable fish and not other meats)

I agree about vaccinations. But not his prideful tone when he said "We vanquished small pox" though. There is such a thing as brand new diseases that can come faster and stronger than any vaccine can be manufactured. People will die. I just believe we are doing the best we can with the vaccines. No need to be cocky though. We can't live forever.

Vaccinations are good, complications should be studied for treatment/prevention.

I wonder if this guy is a globalist and socialist and using science to push this agenda. Just his tone I don't know anything else about this guy.

Oregon health plan gives you the worst cheapest meds first and you have to try meds numbers 1-6 before you can get to #7 on the list(the right name brand medication, the one that works) the one the doctor WANTED to perscribe you in the first place, but couldn't get because of the rules (cheapest first) so his hands are tied. And for all this second rate government "care" they can put a lein on your land to pay the bill. So I opted out of OHP even though I qualified on income (temporary transitional year). I won't qualify myself based on my assets and the fine print. Its great is you want free sub-par care and have NOTHING, but also you'd have to have no hope of moving on up American style. Because if you promote in life later they can STILL take your stuff for PAST OHP usage. I'm not selling out my posterity over a couple of medical hiccups. I did move on up from nothing. This is a disincentive for people to even try in life.

**Sorry but for 16 minutes he didn't just talk about vaccines, so neither did I.

Gerdgrid 04-16-2010 11:27 AM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
Oh LORD! I made my decision not to vaccinate based on the CDC, the VAERs database and the advise of medical professionals. What about that screams "non-science anecdotes"?

I agree with PP, I think YOU OP need to do a bit more research before making accusatory posts.

nakedbabytoes 04-16-2010 11:32 AM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
I am undoing decades of human advancement?
You give me wayyyy to much credit.

And here I thought nuclear plants, coal burning mega business, and chemical pollutants were to blame. Silly me. My choice not to vax my boys against chicken pox will ruin the world!

Somebody slap some sense into me before I accidentially do more worldwide damage!

Joyful Tie Dyes 04-16-2010 11:36 AM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Terra (Post 10035829)
I *personally* think you may need to do a bit more research. We "non-vaxers" do not put anyone at anymore risk than vaxing parents. :2cents:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaci (Post 10035912)
Oh LORD! I made my decision not to vaccinate based on the CDC, the VAERs database and the advise of medical professionals. What about that screams "non-science anecdotes"?

I agree with PP, I think YOU OP need to do a bit more research before making accusatory posts.

:yeahthat:

I just LOVE newbies running in here and screaming "you are gonna kill us all with your crazy non-vaxed kids" :yuck:

Sageac 04-16-2010 11:48 AM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
The truth of the matter is that there has NEVER been a study on a large population of non-vaxed individuals to make conclusions about whether the THEORY that the population is "at risk" due to thier being un-vaccinated. We can't prove we're not putting people at risk because it's UNETHICAL to do a scientific study. (One where half the parents are told to vaccinate and half are told not to. unethical because to take 50/100 people and insist that they vaccinate could put them at risk for harm. Same problem goes for breastfeeding. We can't prove it's better by scientific study: unethical to take half the study group and tell them to use formula because it puts them at too high a risk for harm.)

There have been no outbreaks of serious diseases in the last 30 years that could be attributed to a population of un-vaxed individuals. Quite the contrary. Most of the "exposure" the population gets to any of the more serious illnesses are traced, by the CDC, back to a recently vaccinated individual that contracts the disease from the injection and spreads it to vaccinated and un-vaccinated people they come in contact with. (And by un-vaccinated I mean people that have refused vaccines AND individuals that have NOT YET reached the age at which they are expected to be inoculated for the specific illness in question.)

OP: Is your answer that we should load an infant at birth with all-known vaccinations to prevent them being un-vaccinated for even a day? because they are "putting the world at risk" until the scheduled day at which they are to receive the magic shot?

autumnstar 04-16-2010 12:04 PM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nakedbabytoes (Post 10035973)
I am undoing decades of human advancement?
You give me wayyyy to much credit.

And here I thought nuclear plants, coal burning mega business, and chemical pollutants were to blame. Silly me. My choice not to vax my boys against chicken pox will ruin the world!

Somebody slap some sense into me before I accidentially do more worldwide damage!

:roflmbo:

I did fully vaccinate my first child, but haven't vacced my other two at all...and guess what? My daughter just had a reaction to amoxicillin. It was awful...now, what if that was a vaccine, and something worse had happened? i can't bring myself to vac my other two daughters, because i'm afraid they will develop autism or something crazy after being fine all this time...I read a post on here quite some time back about a woman that vacced her son, and all of a sudden he couldn't stand anymore, and it went downhill from there....Better safe than sorry...sheesh...The thought of pouring chemicals into my new innocent unaltered child makes me sick...i just didn't know better the first time...Maybe that is where you are at? You just watch when they stick that needle into your brand new babies foot, and fill his body with chemicals... Will you sit there and say ahhh...yes, that was so the right thing to do for my baby...now the world is a better place?

Now, if you want to change ppl's minds about something, you mustn't post such a rude, know it all post...Like you didn't know this would flame up? c'mon....you have your opinions, and we have ours, and if you are so foolish as to base your decisions on this one video, then your opinion is not such a valid one...

Kirsie 04-16-2010 12:15 PM

Re: If you think your decision to not vaccinate only affects you and your child...
 
Non-scientific anecdotes? Nah, not me. I don't vaccinate so I may be difficult and controversial. And, apparently, it worked :mrgreen:

Wide-spred frenzy? Shift the demography of the planet? Geez, exaggerate much?


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