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Old 07-05-2014, 01:35 AM   #4
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Re: Last chance

Originally Posted by Crunchy Kaley View Post
I had always looked forward to breastfeeding my children and knew that it was something I wanted to do but it has been very challenging from the beginning. I feel like I am close to giving up nursing and for exclusive pumping. My DS has only received breastmilk and is now four months old.
Well first off congrat son the baby & WTG on making 4 months exclusive. That is a huge accomplishment when things have been so rocky starting out!!!

Originally Posted by Crunchy Kaley View Post
At birth he was not interested in latching and after 12 hours with help from the lactation consultant we were finally successful. I experienced some pain but I didn't really know what to expect. By ten days old my nipples were cracked and bleeding and I visited the lactation consultant again. DS would alternate between nursing correctly and biting. At that time she recommended a nipple shield and things seemed to be going well. I attempted to wean from the nipple shield for the next few months but he wasn't interested and I didn't push him too hard. He did receive the occasional bottle (1-2 weekly) but usually just nursed.
I could have written this with my #2...except I knew it was wrong & everyone kept saying it was fine...despite my nips being so torn up they looked detached.

Originally Posted by Crunchy Kaley View Post
When I returned to work I realized that my supply was very low. I don't think DS was nursing very well so my supply dropped. After the first day of daycare he was on a nursing strike and I couldn't get him to breastfeed. I spent the next week pumping and taking supplements and was able to get my supply back up. During that time I attempted to nurse at every feeding, while home, and fed DS with a syringe when he refused. After a few days he did begin nursing again but started ripping the nipple shield off. I was excited to be rid of that thing!
Why did you "realize"? Are you basing that on pump output?
Supply does often drop when you are away from baby & not able to pump every 2 hrs, but that shouldn't typically effect supply in the evenings when stimulation remains constant & typical. Now the week of only pumping often does make supply drop, but if you are early enough on, it often will come back up with a ton of effort...and it sounds like you did that.

Originally Posted by Crunchy Kaley View Post
Now, he is at it again. At every nursing session he pulls away while sucking, which isn't very comfortable, and yells. He does this multiple times while nursing and will stop eating after a very short period of time. I have been pumping after most nursing sessions and usually get 1-3 ounces each time.
Does he do the thing where he gets his mouth RIGHT on the nipple, but does not latch & shakes his head back & forth while yelling? If yes, relax. It's typical. Every baby of mine has done this & some were porkers, some were tiny & some I worked with & some I've been able to stay home now. I have also seen EVERY nursing baby I know do this in the evenings. If you watch - is he doing this early in the day when you are off work, or only in the evenings. It seems to be part of fussy nursing behavior that follows an evening pattern. Regardless of whether you said "yes" to the description I gave of behavior - this is worth a read:

Originally Posted by Crunchy Kaley View Post
He had his four month appointment a few days ago and is now at the 3rd percentile for weight, at 2 months he was at the 50th percentile, so we started feeding him what I pumped with a syringe after he finished nursing. I feel like I have been through so much to give up now and pumping just doesn't work well with our lifestyle. We have already taken him on an overnight canoe trip and plan on backpacking over 4th of July, nursing makes those trips SO much easier.

Sorry for the novel but please give me any last advice. Is there anything else I can try??

Now they used to have a chart that showed how BF babies & FF babies gained differently, but the WHO changed their chart to make it really hard to read & kellymom got revised & their links are broken... But it is not uncommon for moms to be told that their baby's are not staying on target, when what is happening is they are growing normally. So at least you can calculate if your baby has been staying within the 5-7 ounces per week area.

And you got tons of good advice already too.

How is his poop though? Is it mustardy & full of curds? If it is not, I'd first suspect the foremilk/hindmilk issue already brought up my another poster & if that would be the case, it would help fussing, biting AND weight gain. It's be nicest if that were the real issue, as it's totally resolvable & addresses every issue you've mentioned.

As for how much to pump/how much does your baby actually need?

And to show you that your supply is fine:
It is typical for a mother who is nursing full-time to be able to pump around 1/2 to 2 ounces total (for both breasts) per pumping session. Moms who pump more milk per session may have an oversupply of milk, or may respond better than average to the pump, or may have been able to increase pump output with practice. Many moms think that they should be able to pump 4-8 ounces per pumping session, but even 4 ounces is a rather large pumping output for a mom who is breastfeeding full-time.
from here:

I have never pumped 1-3 oz after nursing. The best I ever could get is maybe just shy of an ounce from both breasts. While away from baby, the best I ever topped out at was 5 oz & I had gone wayyyy too long before pumping.

Any further input or questions & I'll see what I can do to help.
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