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Old 11-17-2012, 11:10 AM   #1
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Scary info about Gardasil vaccine

http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-10-18/gardasil-destroys-girls-ovaries-it-should-have-been-predicted/

Please read if you are thinking about giving this to your daughter!
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:20 AM   #2
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No way would I ever give that to my daughter. Or son!
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:00 AM   #3
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Re: Scary info about Gardasil vaccine

I am honestly on the fence about this one for a number of personal reasons. However, a blog post like that is not one of them. There is no good research and a variety of illogical conclusions and statements made that do not impress me in terms of their validity.

The whole thing come across like this:

My Catholic Church has Mass at 7:30 On Sunday
Sunday is a day of the week
You have to be awake to go to Mass
All living people wake up on some day of the week
Therefore until scientists can disprove it All people are Catholic

Not true, terrible logic and basically the conclusions in that blog are drawn the same way -

one of the ingredients in the vaccine has been given to mice. a mouse whose mother received it while pg had problems with its overies. Therefore, unless proven otherwise it is obvious that the reason this girl had problems with her ovaries is because she received this vaccine herself. -- Not logical, proven or supportable.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:40 AM   #4
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I am honestly on the fence about this one for a number of personal reasons. However, a blog post like that is not one of them. There is no good research and a variety of illogical conclusions and statements made that do not impress me in terms of their validity.

The whole thing come across like this:

My Catholic Church has Mass at 7:30 On Sunday
Sunday is a day of the week
You have to be awake to go to Mass
All living people wake up on some day of the week
Therefore until scientists can disprove it All people are Catholic

Not true, terrible logic and basically the conclusions in that blog are drawn the same way -

one of the ingredients in the vaccine has been given to mice. a mouse whose mother received it while pg had problems with its overies. Therefore, unless proven otherwise it is obvious that the reason this girl had problems with her ovaries is because she received this vaccine herself. -- Not logical, proven or supportable.
I agree some studies are conducted in this manner, but all vaccine related side affects are recorded this way. Something happens after you get a vaccine, and it's reported as being possibly due to the vaccine. So I don't think they're saying it positively was due to the vaccine, but it's a possibility.

And I find it very disturbing that not all ingredients were tested. If I'm going to shoot a chemical into my body, I want to know that what's in it is safe! And I'd you don't test, or don't release the reports, I could never take it.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:00 AM   #5
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I am honestly on the fence about this one for a number of personal reasons. However, a blog post like that is not one of them. There is no good research and a variety of illogical conclusions and statements made that do not impress me in terms of their validity.

The whole thing come across like this:

My Catholic Church has Mass at 7:30 On Sunday
Sunday is a day of the week
You have to be awake to go to Mass
All living people wake up on some day of the week
Therefore until scientists can disprove it All people are Catholic

Not true, terrible logic and basically the conclusions in that blog are drawn the same way -

one of the ingredients in the vaccine has been given to mice. a mouse whose mother received it while pg had problems with its overies. Therefore, unless proven otherwise it is obvious that the reason this girl had problems with her ovaries is because she received this vaccine herself. -- Not logical, proven or supportable.
I'm surprised you are on the fence about this vaccine. Do you mind sharing your reasons? I only ask because I know you are usually a vocal supporter of vaccinations.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:21 AM   #6
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Re: Scary info about Gardasil vaccine

My reasons are personal and faith related and are more related to my views on abstinance than they are on the scientific information about this vaccine. We have made the decision to revisit our decision in the next couple of years. My oldest son is 11 and my daughter is only 7. My son has no interest in girls yet and so we have a little time to consider what we want to do.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:23 AM   #7
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My reasons are personal and faith related and are more related to my views on abstinance than they are on the scientific information about this vaccine. We have made the decision to revisit our decision in the next couple of years. My oldest son is 11 and my daughter is only 7. My son has no interest in girls yet and so we have a little time to consider what we want to do.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ital-sex_x.htm

A survey of 40,000 people found that 90%+ of all Americans have premarital sex. So statistically, even if your kids wait the chances are good that their partner didn't. And HPV is sneaky: it is entirely possible that your child's partner could have it and not know it and one of your kids could end up infected even if they both wait.

That said, why do your views on abstinence matter? If you don't have any problem with the vaccine from a health standpoint, shouldn't you want your kids to be as safe as possible even if they make decisions that you disagree with? There have been so many studies done that show that abstinence only education only delays the onset of sexual activity by about six months and the kids who wait that extra half year then have less safe sex with a higher rate of STI infection and pregnancy. Give your kids all of the information, protect them to the best of your ability (access to condoms, birth control, etc.), and then trust that you raised them right and that they are good kids who will make you proud.

On topic of the original article: I did a quick search on Google Scholar. There doesn't seem to be anything from any reliable sources that would indicate that the article is scientifically sound or really has any scientific basis at all. Here's some good information about premature ovarian failure, though:

http://www.ojrd.com/content/1/1/9

This site provides a good discussion of the claim as well (although the author has some pretty strong opinions on the reasoning behind attacks on the drug):

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...l-not-so-fast/

These are the parts I found most relevant:

"[The authors of the article OP linked] point out in the introduction that premature ovarian failure has an estimated incidence of 10/100,000 person-years between the ages of 15 and 29. Other sources suggest that the incidence of such ovarian dysfunction might be as high as 1 in 1,000 before the age of 40. The authors also cite sources that find that the cause of ovarian failure before the age of 40 ďremains unknown in up to 90% of cases.Ē In other words, in the vast majority of cases premature ovarian failure is idiopathic. We donít know what caused it. [emphasis added] In the cases where a cause can be identified, potential causes are several and include autoimmune disorders..., genetics, chemotherapy, hysterectomy..., thyroid dysfunction..., Turner syndrome, inadequate gonadotropin secretion or action, and viral infections.

...And when did this girl receive her anti-HPV vaccine? According to the case report, she received doses in May and August of 2008. Now letís go back to the case report. This girl started to have irregular menses in early 2009, more than five months after her last dose of Gardasil, and then she didnít stop menstruating until a year later, in early 2010."

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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ital-sex_x.htm

A survey of 40,000 people found that 90%+ of all Americans have premarital sex. So statistically, even if your kids wait the chances are good that their partner didn't. And HPV is sneaky: it is entirely possible that your child's partner could have it and not know it and one of your kids could end up infected even if they both wait.

That said, why do your views on abstinence matter? If you don't have any problem with the vaccine from a health standpoint, shouldn't you want your kids to be as safe as possible even if they make decisions that you disagree with? There have been so many studies done that show that abstinence only education only delays the onset of sexual activity by about six months and the kids who wait that extra half year then have less safe sex with a higher rate of STI infection and pregnancy. Give your kids all of the information, protect them to the best of your ability (access to condoms, birth control, etc.), and then trust that you raised them right and that they are good kids who will make you proud.

On topic of the original article: I did a quick search on Google Scholar. There doesn't seem to be anything from any reliable sources that would indicate that the article is scientifically sound or really has any scientific basis at all. Here's some good information about premature ovarian failure, though:

http://www.ojrd.com/content/1/1/9

This site provides a good discussion of the claim as well (although the author has some pretty strong opinions on the reasoning behind attacks on the drug):

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...l-not-so-fast/

These are the parts I found most relevant:

"[The authors of the article OP linked] point out in the introduction that premature ovarian failure has an estimated incidence of 10/100,000 person-years between the ages of 15 and 29. Other sources suggest that the incidence of such ovarian dysfunction might be as high as 1 in 1,000 before the age of 40. The authors also cite sources that find that the cause of ovarian failure before the age of 40 ďremains unknown in up to 90% of cases.Ē In other words, in the vast majority of cases premature ovarian failure is idiopathic. We donít know what caused it. [emphasis added] In the cases where a cause can be identified, potential causes are several and include autoimmune disorders..., genetics, chemotherapy, hysterectomy..., thyroid dysfunction..., Turner syndrome, inadequate gonadotropin secretion or action, and viral infections.

...And when did this girl receive her anti-HPV vaccine? According to the case report, she received doses in May and August of 2008. Now letís go back to the case report. This girl started to have irregular menses in early 2009, more than five months after her last dose of Gardasil, and then she didnít stop menstruating until a year later, in early 2010."
Simply having a view on abstinance does not mean that our children will be ill informed about sex, protection, health and emotional ramifications of intercourse, etc. I think you made an assumption that isn't accurate. Information is power and we would not deny our children information in this area that can help them make important decisions in their lives. That does not however mean that it necessarily follows that we will give this vaccine to young preteen children. We already said no at 11 for our son. As I said, we may revisit it down the road. It is not an irreversible decision. And, even if we choose not to get the vaccine for our kids, the would have the ability to get it for themselves as they become adults.
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From all I've read on it, if I had to make the decision right now I'd avoid on this one. However, my daughters are 5 and 6months, so I have time. I'll re-examine it when they're old enough for it to be an issue.
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We would never give this vaccine, son or daughter, but not because of blog posts
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