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Old 11-19-2012, 09:22 PM   #1
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Update in post #33- Does OB's plan sound right? How can I go the natural route?

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We got preggo with DS NTNP in 2010 less than 2 months after we decided to stop using birth control and take our chances. Had him in July 2011. Late November 2011 I had a period then we started NTNP. In December we decided to just full out try. After a few visits the Dr said I have Ogli Ammenorreah (sp) and I'd probably end up needing to go on BC to jumpstart Ovulation. We declined because...well, with DS it only took a month or 2.

We'd been trying 5 months and I thought I might be preggo so I made an appt to be checked out and get tested. Negative. OB suggested provera and clomid. I said, "no. let's wait. it's only been 5 months." Tested daily for ovulation and started drinking fertilitea and taking vitex supplements. FINALLY in mid/late August I got a positive for O. Tried and Tried. Second week of September, I got a faint bfp. Hubby and I were so excited. Waited 2 days and tested again. BFP. YES. 2 days later...negative. What? So I called my OB and she told me that I probably had a chemical pregnancy. Said to wait a week and come in if it was still negative. I went in a week later and she tested me and said that if I started to bleed it was a chemical. 2 days later I started bleeding. My first period since Nov 2011. All throughout the end of September to the last week of October I was tested for various things and all in all I got my blood drawled 5 times, had 1 u/s and was in her office 3...or 4 times. OB decided I have Ogli-ammenorreah...A year after diagnosing it the first time. She had forgotten. Wasn't it in the records?? Anyway, she told me that if I didn't get a BFP before November 1st to come in for a blood pregnancy test and then she wanted me to start a round of provera/clomid. Did as told and it was negative so I started provera. It's been two weeks and I haven't bled out yet.

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I called OB to ask if this was normal. Not bleeding. She had to call me back and when she did she told me that she had discussed it with another OB and did more research and they believe I am "too thin" and don't have enough "body fat". ETA: I am kind of thin but I am NOT by any means a skinny minnie. She explained that body fat retains estrogen and I need estrogen to help thicken my lining and my lining is not thickening enough for a bleed out. She then explained that she wants me to start a form of BC with an estrogen base called Necon for a month. Also wants me to take estradol 3 times a day and a suppository of endometrin 100. THEN by January and by the time I bleed we can start clomid. I kind of feel like they are making things up as they go and they really have no idea what's wrong with me...

Does this sound right?? I don't want all that in my system! I don't do BC pills well (mood-wise) and I really don't want to try this. It makes me nervous. I'd like to start doing a natural fertility plan again and go from there. I just don't feel comfortable with this. Suggestions? What would you do? What are some natural fertility booster supplements I can take?
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:37 PM   #2
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My first question would be to ask what your body fat percentage is. You can get it tested for free at most gyms, and there are little hand-held gadgets to test it. I wouldn't buy the "not enough body fat" thing without that information. With that information. Then I'd go from there.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:42 PM   #3
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My first question would be to ask what your body fat percentage is. You can get it tested for free at most gyms, and there are little hand-held gadgets to test it. I wouldn't buy the "not enough body fat" thing without that information. With that information. Then I'd go from there.
I already know. My body fat percentage is 32 (point something) % so it's not like I'm extremely thin...I mean to be a normal/average weight I would need to lose 2 more inches from my tummy.

ETA: I have more body fat on me than I did before conceiving DS. I weighed 120 before I conceived him...same height, same everything else. Now I weight 131 and have a higher body fat percentage...That's where I'm confused also.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:46 PM   #4
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I already know. My body fat percentage is 32 (point something) % so it's not like I'm extremely thin...I mean to be a normal/average weight I would need to lose 2 more inches from my tummy.
I would think that is more than sufficient. My body fat hovers around 14%, and apparently that's been enough because the two times I've ovulated since I've been with DH, I've gotten pregnant.

I don't know a TON about herbs, but there is a group I am part of on fb that I would be happy to add you to. The ladies are all very knowledgable pm me your name/email if you want and I can friend request you and add you to the group.
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I would think that is more than sufficient. My body fat hovers around 14%, and apparently that's been enough because the two times I've ovulated since I've been with DH, I've gotten pregnant.

I don't know a TON about herbs, but there is a group I am part of on fb that I would be happy to add you to. The ladies are all very knowledgable pm me your name/email if you want and I can friend request you and add you to the group.
Exactly why I'm so confused. I had a lot less fat and got preggo with DS 2 years ago...It just doesn't make sense. Thanks! Will do.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:52 AM   #6
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I already know. My body fat percentage is 32 (point something) % so it's not like I'm extremely thin...I mean to be a normal/average weight I would need to lose 2 more inches from my tummy.

ETA: I have more body fat on me than I did before conceiving DS. I weighed 120 before I conceived him...same height, same everything else. Now I weight 131 and have a higher body fat percentage...That's where I'm confused also.
Didn't read all the replies, but:

32% is definitely sufficient. I don't want to sound mean, but medically speaking, 32% body fat is considered overweight, no matter how thin you may look. 14% is actually too LOW. Normal body fat is from 18.5 to 25% (I'd venture to say under 30% is average by today's standards).

Have you examined your diet? Are you eating enough meat, legumes, and leafy greens? You won't bleed if your iron and protein is too low. You may also want to consider light exercise. Herbs can't reverse bad diet and exercise. If those need to be adjusted, make it a family affair. Salad on the table every night, nuts for snacks, and go on a family walk before or after dinner.
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14% is actually too LOW. Normal body fat is from 18.5 to 25% (I'd venture to say under 30% is average by today's standards).
I actually disagree. For my frame and activity level, 14% is normal. When I am not pregnant or nursing, I am 125 pounds - that is nearly 15 lbs of fat, which is plenty. That is on a maintenance workout regimen with no supplements. If I lift heavier weights and increase my protein intake, I gain muscle mass. Looking at a chart with just numbers it might appear to be too low or for someone who is taller or built differently it might be too low, but IRL, for me, it's normal and healthy.
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I actually disagree. For my frame and activity level, 14% is normal. When I am not pregnant or nursing, I am 125 pounds - that is nearly 15 lbs of fat, which is plenty. That is on a maintenance workout regimen with no supplements. If I lift heavier weights and increase my protein intake, I gain muscle mass. Looking at a chart with just numbers it might appear to be too low or for someone who is taller or built differently it might be too low, but IRL, for me, it's normal and healthy.
The minimum for healthy function is 10%, so 14 is within normal. Especially with your activity level. :-).

Then there's me over here boasting a near 40% ::

Yeah... Gotta do sown thing about that.
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This is totally what I was going to say! We tried for a year to get preggo with our DD. When we finally did what you said here we got pregnant the next month.

btw....if you have an android based phone or kindle fire I know you can get a free app that is called My Days that will help you keep track of when your periods are, temps, weight, CM, estimates your best days of Oing, and allows you to input which days exactly you DTD so that you can maximize your chances of ttc. I just started using it and it seems great. I'm sure you can get something very similar for an iphone or ipad too.
Yeah...I'm old fashioned. LOL. I have a go-phone, atm. I'll check around online for a free fertility chart. Thanks!!

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It is still coming from her though, ya know.

I have had tremendous luck looking at Heathgrades online. Patients' reviews of their doctors. That's how I found my OB who is WONDERFUL!

*wishing you the best*
Ah, thanks! I'll have to get on there and look around.

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Didn't read all the replies, but:

32% is definitely sufficient. I don't want to sound mean, but medically speaking, 32% body fat is considered overweight, no matter how thin you may look. 14% is actually too LOW. Normal body fat is from 18.5 to 25% (I'd venture to say under 30% is average by today's standards).

Have you examined your diet? Are you eating enough meat, legumes, and leafy greens? You won't bleed if your iron and protein is too low. You may also want to consider light exercise. Herbs can't reverse bad diet and exercise. If those need to be adjusted, make it a family affair. Salad on the table every night, nuts for snacks, and go on a family walk before or after dinner.

I have actually lost around 10 pounds (never got my period when I had those extra pounds either) and my goal is to lose another 10 to be at my normal weight pre pregnancy #1. I am logging what I eat on myfitnesspal. I get plenty of protein. I eat generally very healthy apart from every other Sunday (we visit grandparents and eat some candy or icecream or cake depending and then Dh and I do a date night and get takeout that Sunday). We generally have salad atleast 2 days a week with lunch or dinner or both. I am currently doing p90x and have been for a month as time allows (had to take a break during that hurricane for a week because no one had power and had to take a short break while Ds and I were sick with a bad cold). Before that I'd been doing a dance workout and did the 30 day shred before that. I take an iron pill for anemia and prenatal vitamins. Overall I'm losing fat and gaining muscle, eating healthier, drinking a ton of water, taking my vitamins. OB told me that I'm very healthy, doing the right thing with workouts and my bmi is within normal range but she doesn't think I have enough fat to store estrogen. That's where I'm so confused.... I had just stopped taking vitex and drinking fertilitea when I O'd in September. I'm kind of thinking that they helped me out to O.
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Yeah...I'm old fashioned. LOL. I have a go-phone, atm. I'll check around online for a free fertility chart. Thanks!!
Check out fertilityfriend.com. I use it and have found it to be super simple. I am a semi-self taught charter and FF has some great video "classes" on charting. The last 4 months of charting have really given me some useful cycle info.

I also second the suggestion to read TCOYF.

Good luck mama!
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