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Old 02-07-2013, 02:46 PM   #1
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ok I do not understand why so many people are wary of vaccines, can someone explain this to me? in a risk vs benefit analysis, what exactly is the risk you are trying to avoid? please provide me with sources.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:00 PM   #3
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Re: non-vaxing?

Here's a few of our reasons:

1. There aborted fetal cells in vaccines.
2. There are brain damaging chemicals in vaccines (aluminum, mercury, fomaldehyde, etc).
3. Vaccines have terrible side effects.
4. Vaccines have never been proven effective, check the data, the diseases we already in decline before vaccines came along.
5. If you are a Christian there are Biblical reasons. Do a search on pharmakeia. (and read Revelation 18:23 pharmakeia = sorcery)
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:51 PM   #4
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Here's a few of our reasons:

1. There aborted fetal cells in vaccines.
ok I am only interested in actual evidence based reasons, and this is not true http://www.drwile.com/lnkpages/render.asp?vac_abortion here is a link to a pro-life perspective on that particular argument.
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ok I am only interested in actual evidence based reasons, and this is not true http://www.drwile.com/lnkpages/render.asp?vac_abortion here is a link to a pro-life perspective on that particular argument.
Actually there is... This is not some secret info.
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/con...ne-development
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:25 PM   #6
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Re: non-vaxing?

This is all I'm going to say about this. I don't really care whether or not others choose to vaccinate.

Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System Database:
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php

Vaccine Ingredients:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-2.pdf


Vaccine Package Inserts:
http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/

Tripedia insert (ommitted from previous link.) http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf

Brain Blood Barrier and MSG:
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/obesityepidemic.html

Aluminum:
http://www.nvic.org/doctors-corner/A...gredients.aspx

Blood Brain Barrier and Aluminum:
http://student.biology.arizona.edu/ad/bbb.html

Aluminum and Motor Degeneration:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...ihms171746.pdf

Health Effects of Mercury :
http://orf.od.nih.gov/Environmental+...lthHazards.htm

Mercury and the Blood Brain Barrier:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0909080318.htm

Health Effects of Formaldehyde:
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/e...rmaldehyde.pdf

Formaldehyde and the Blood Brain Barrier:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3779084

Debunking Herd Immunity:
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...-vaccinations/

Vaccines and neurological issues, including autism:
"In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder."http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9756729

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...#reference-sec

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21350943

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15764492

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015705

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015977

Mumps Protective Effect Against Ovarian Cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2951028/

Polio Facts:
“Up to 95% of all polio infections are inapparent or subclinical without symptoms. “
http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/tropm...o/symptoms.htm

Chicken Pox Vaccine Tied to Increase in Shingles:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.htm

Prevnar Vaccine Linked to Superbugs:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20825107/#.UHSQ1RXA9v8

Pneumococcal Vaccine Did Not Decrease Incidence of Peumococcal Mningitis in France:
http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstrac...Before.18.aspx

Hib Vaccine & Type 1 Diabetes:
http://www.bmj.com//content/319/7217/1133.1

Flu Shots Not Beneficial:
http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.as...rticleID=12400

Vaccine Laws & Exemptions By State:
http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

Vaccine Manufacturers Given Immunity to Lawsuits:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...eme-Court-says

Advisers on Vaccines Often Have Conflicts:
“A new report finds that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did a poor job of screening medical experts for financial conflicts when it hired them to advise the agency on vaccine safety, officials said Thursday.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/he...=4&ref=health&
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:30 PM   #7
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Re: non-vaxing?

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This is all I'm going to say about this. I don't really care whether or not others choose to vaccinate.

Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System Database:
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php

Vaccine Ingredients:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-2.pdf


Vaccine Package Inserts:
http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/

Tripedia insert (ommitted from previous link.) http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf

Brain Blood Barrier and MSG:
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/obesityepidemic.html

Aluminum:
http://www.nvic.org/doctors-corner/A...gredients.aspx

Blood Brain Barrier and Aluminum:
http://student.biology.arizona.edu/ad/bbb.html

Aluminum and Motor Degeneration:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...ihms171746.pdf

Health Effects of Mercury :
http://orf.od.nih.gov/Environmental+...lthHazards.htm

Mercury and the Blood Brain Barrier:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0909080318.htm

Health Effects of Formaldehyde:
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/e...rmaldehyde.pdf

Formaldehyde and the Blood Brain Barrier:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3779084

Debunking Herd Immunity:
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...-vaccinations/

Vaccines and neurological issues, including autism:
"In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder."http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9756729

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...#reference-sec

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21350943

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15764492

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015705

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015977

Mumps Protective Effect Against Ovarian Cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2951028/

Polio Facts:
“Up to 95% of all polio infections are inapparent or subclinical without symptoms. “
http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/tropm...o/symptoms.htm

Chicken Pox Vaccine Tied to Increase in Shingles:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.htm

Prevnar Vaccine Linked to Superbugs:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20825107/#.UHSQ1RXA9v8

Pneumococcal Vaccine Did Not Decrease Incidence of Peumococcal Mningitis in France:
http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstrac...Before.18.aspx

Hib Vaccine & Type 1 Diabetes:
http://www.bmj.com//content/319/7217/1133.1

Flu Shots Not Beneficial:
http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.as...rticleID=12400

Vaccine Laws & Exemptions By State:
http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

Vaccine Manufacturers Given Immunity to Lawsuits:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...eme-Court-says

Advisers on Vaccines Often Have Conflicts:
“A new report finds that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did a poor job of screening medical experts for financial conflicts when it hired them to advise the agency on vaccine safety, officials said Thursday.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/he...=4&ref=health&
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:48 PM   #8
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The biggest problem I've found in researching is you can find sources to support both sides. So you really have to decide what sources you trust.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:51 PM   #9
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The biggest problem I've found in researching is you can find sources to support both sides. So you really have to decide what sources you trust.
Yup.

I got all my info direct from the cdc and the who. And still chose not to vaccinate my kids.

I trust the cdc puts out proper and enough information to make an informed decision. For me it was not enough to persuade me to vaccinate.
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Yup.

I got all my info direct from the cdc and the who. And still chose not to vaccinate my kids.

I trust the cdc puts out proper and enough information to make an informed decision. For me it was not enough to persuade me to vaccinate.
Yep! Completely agree! Once you research each individual illness and each individual vaccine, you will be able to make an informed decision. The CDC has wonderful information and actually was pretty convincing for us to not vaccinate any longer, along with understanding what each illness was and how to avoid or treat it if necessary. Also, studying some epidemiology charts from the turn of the 20th century through current shows the natural decline in illnesses prior to mass vaccinations. It is AMAZING what proper sanitation and hygiene practices can do for decreasing the spread of illnesses!
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