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Old 03-26-2013, 02:07 PM   #1
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I hear this a lot, and don't "get it".....

Especially today..

"Homosexuality has been witnessed and observed throughout the animal world "


How does that have anything to do with humans? How is that a good argument? Animals eat poop too. They eat their babies sometimes.

Explain this argument to me.

I am all for Gay marriage and equality. I am just finding "animals do it" as a poor argument.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:09 PM   #2
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Re: I hear this a lot, and don't "get it".....

Well I think it is because some say it is not possible. Some think that it is a choice. Animals do things on instinct not choice. I am stretching and just guessing.
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Re: I hear this a lot, and don't "get it".....

It's generally in response to the idea that homosexuality is "unnatural", aberrant from what is seen in other species, and somehow a particular deviance of humans, one that should not be fostered or accommodated.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:14 PM   #4
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Re: I hear this a lot, and don't "get it".....

Yes.. I assumed that, but how many times do we see animals doing things we would never do, and we don't take that as "Well, then good enough for me". I don't like being told that because a female dog humps another female dog, that it must be acceptable for humans too...

Heck, my female lab is inappropriate with a giant stuffed Duck.

Again, am an FOR Gay marriage, just not based on what an animal would do.

I guess I just don't care for the comparison.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:33 PM   #5
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Yes.. I assumed that, but how many times do we see animals doing things we would never do, and we don't take that as "Well, then good enough for me". I don't like being told that because a female dog humps another female dog, that it must be acceptable for humans too...

Heck, my female lab is inappropriate with a giant stuffed Duck.

Again, am an FOR Gay marriage, just not based on what an animal would do.

I guess I just don't care for the comparison.
I think maybe you're not the target audience for the point. The fact that homosexuality is common in nature is an argument against opinions that

a) homosexuality is unnatural
b) homosexuality "goes against God's plan"
c) homosexuality is a choice
d) homosexuality is a product of a degenerate culture or society

It's not a glorification of the way of the wolf, it's simply a counter-fact to correct various homophobic assumptions. If you don't share those assumptions, then you don't need to hear it
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:08 AM   #6
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I hear it in response to the "its not natural" argument. The point is just that it is natural. Animals don't just suddenly decide to be homosexual and neither do humans (or any sexuality for that matter).

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I think maybe you're not the target audience for the point. The fact that homosexuality is common in nature is an argument against opinions that

a) homosexuality is unnatural
b) homosexuality "goes against God's plan"
c) homosexuality is a choice
d) homosexuality is a product of a degenerate culture or society

It's not a glorification of the way of the wolf, it's simply a counter-fact to correct various homophobic assumptions. If you don't share those assumptions, then you don't need to hear it

It still doesn't make sense as opening poster pointed out some animals on instinct eat their young. This is natural for them. It doesn't make it natural for humans. So the same would apply then for homosexuality or really anything animals do. Just because it may be natural for animals does not mean it is natural for people.
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It still doesn't make sense as opening poster pointed out some animals on instinct eat their young. This is natural for them. It doesn't make it natural for humans. So the same would apply then for homosexuality or really anything animals do. Just because it may be natural for animals does not mean it is natural for people.
It IS natural for people. I have numerous gay and lesbian friends. The average age they knew they were gay was 4 to 5 years old. You don't choose that at 4 - 5 years old. You just are.
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It IS natural for people. I have numerous gay and lesbian friends. The average age they knew they were gay was 4 to 5 years old. You don't choose that at 4 - 5 years old. You just are.
I am not argueing as we are never going to agree on this. However it still doesn't make sense regardless of the side of this arguement you are on to say because something is natural for an animal it follows then that it must be natural to humans. Animals do many things we as humans (normal ones that is)would never dream of doing. Killing our young, eating poop, mating with our siblings or offspring for a few examples.

I have heard the animals don't or do ? referring to many hot button topics. I don't get it regardless. Even if I agree with the persons beliefs this arguement just turns me away from them.
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Yes.. I assumed that, but how many times do we see animals doing things we would never do, and we don't take that as "Well, then good enough for me". I don't like being told that because a female dog humps another female dog, that it must be acceptable for humans too...

Heck, my female lab is inappropriate with a giant stuffed Duck.

Again, am an FOR Gay marriage, just not based on what an animal would do.

I guess I just don't care for the comparison.
The giant stuffed duck made me think,,,don't humans have plastic fake pieces of anatomy to be inappropriate with? That's more of a conscious choice than being gay. just thought that was funny. Sorry if it offensive, it was a really funny image in my head.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:20 PM   #10
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Re: I hear this a lot, and don't "get it".....

I wish some people would eat their young . I AM KIDDING FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THE DAYS IN THE WEEK I AM KIDDING. Seriously though I dont get that argument either.
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