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Old 06-26-2006, 03:51 PM   #21
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Goats milk is the closest animal milk to human milk - it's very healthy and easy on our digestive systems.

No, your 10mo is NOT manipulating you. What a dumb doctor! He's letting you know that something is wrong in his body. He's probably got a milk allergy. Also, milk is not some magic elixir - it's not that valuable a part of our diet. My first son never drank milk after he weaned (at about a year).. We found other ways of getting him the nutrients that he needed and did just fine. You can get rice milk fortified with the nutrients that are in milk (vit D, calcium, etc) and have the nutrition that's needed without the irritants that are harmful to the digestive tract.

We use cow's milk very sparingly in this house and are starting to substitute with rice milk as well. I'd eliminate dairy and get him back on his meds or get him some papaya extract (digestive enzymes) to help with the reflux. If he's eating plenty of foods you could switch him to goats milk or fortified rice milk (I'd avoid soy for the potential allergy and also for the fact that the more processed soy is, the less "good for you" it becomes).

Good luck. I hope you find what works for you soon!!

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Old 06-26-2006, 04:03 PM   #22
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Get another ped or try a fam practice dr! Yes, milk allergies are uncommon and a lot of people claim to have allergies that they don't really have, but they are real in some babies and need to be treated! A test or two can tell you if that is his problem or not. Either way, you need to know so that you can work on his problems. Vomitting like that isn't normal and I doubt a 10 month old is doing that to manipulate you. Why don't doctors listen? My ped gave a referrel to an allergist without problems and I'm really glad we got dd properly diagnosed!
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Just as an FYI. About 50% of kids that have allergies (allergic or just sensitive) to milk will also be sensitive to Soy proteins.

My son is one of those! We knew of his milk allergy, and at 15 months the Peds GI had us start giving him Soy milk. He has had severe reactions to that, and we are re-evaluating all of his food/milk intake.

I would definitely have your son be seen by a doctor if not a GI specialist (if possible). They can help guide you in the right direction.

Goats milk is a good option, that most kids with milk and soy allergies can have. You can find it in the regular grocery store, right by the regular milk and soy milk.

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This mama is living my life!!! We too, found out after multiple Dr./specialist visits that our (now) 3 yr. old can't tolerate milk or soy and she has been on rice milk since about 2 yrs. old. Amazing how your body will stop re-acting once allergens are removed from your system. We ran through a whilrwind of tests with her only to finally be told that she was gluten intolerant and then find out that it was actually the soy milk that she couldn't take!!
Then comes my son who couldn't eat anything!! He was barely even still nursing at six months, his poor body was so messed up. We tried every formula know to mankind because my supply was sooo low and he needed weight on him ASAP. (He weighed 13 lbs. at 6 + mos.) He is now eating like crazy and weighs 21 lbs at 15 mos. old. He has recently been switched to milk and is doing great. However he did do rice milk for a time because it doesn't have the animal proteins in it that the other milks have and it easier on their digestive system. (This is probably why the PP said that her WIC office told her it had no nutritional value. It doesn't have near the amount of protein in it that other milks (including goat's milk) can have, but if it is vitamin fortified it should be ok.) We get around the protein issue by adding a teaspoon of protein powder to the kids drinks daily and they love it.............my daughter calls it frosting milk!
But I would agree with the PP that you may want to talk to your Dr. and they should be able to refer you for testing if he indeed has an allergy or intolerance. My son has had problems for over a year now and he will finally have skin testing done in about three more weeks!! Good Luck!!
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Old 06-26-2006, 05:24 PM   #24
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My dd went in for a checkup at 8 months (the naturopath) and since she is underweight, the dr told me to put her on more solids. She actually is loving eating! But anyway, I also got some almond milk per mamalove's recommendation (she knows everything!), and have given her some in a sippy cup.
All my kids like the almond milk, it comes in original, vanilla and chocolate flavors. No dairy, of course, so that might be a good option for you. I found Blue Diamond brand at my Fred Meyer, it's pretty inexpensive.
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Actually, honey can cause botulism in children under 2 yrs, not 1.
Oops! Really! I must have mixed that up w/1yr. Good that I didn't give him any honey anyway. *whew*
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Old 06-26-2006, 06:43 PM   #26
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My dd went in for a checkup at 8 months (the naturopath) and since she is underweight, the dr told me to put her on more solids. She actually is loving eating! But anyway, I also got some almond milk per mamalove's recommendation (she knows everything!), and have given her some in a sippy cup.
All my kids like the almond milk, it comes in original, vanilla and chocolate flavors. No dairy, of course, so that might be a good option for you. I found Blue Diamond brand at my Fred Meyer, it's pretty inexpensive.

Almond milk is great for some kids, but watch out if you have a family history of allergies. Tree nuts (including almonds) are one of the top allergens in kids and adults, and because my dh is allergic to all tree nuts, the allergist recommended that dd stay away from all nuts and nut products until the age of three to reduce the chance of developing allergies (but her allergy skin test for nuts was negative). Out of soy, almond, and rice milk, rice milk is probably the LEAST likely to cause allergies. My dd tested negative for soy so I let her have sips of my soy milk, but like someone else said, soy is also a common allergen.
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Old 06-26-2006, 11:25 PM   #27
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I honestly can't think that any child would be ready at one year. I know I'm planning extended breastfeeding and solids of course.....I'm guessing it would be the same with formula...formula with solids until solids take over more than formula, then add in the milk. I'd be worried about the babe getting all needed nutrients while they still arne't doing solids totally yet. And cow's milk is such a push for some reason...I personally don't plan on doing it but will introduce other milks and wait for cow's (there isn't a big dairy or food allergy history in our families but I'm just not comfortable with cow's milk for some reason).
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I was thinking about you this morning and I was thinking about how you said the meds made him worse. I am not an expert but I don't think that is how they work. I think it is either they help or they don't help. So I am wondering if your son is on the correct dosage for his weight and the proper number of times a day. (we gave Luke twice a day but I know some kids on 3). I wish your ped. was more in touch with your situation and your needs!
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My first was sensitive to regular formula so we put her on soy at 3 mos (after 3mos of screaming). At 1yr she was able to switch to cows milk.

My second we put on soy right at birth, then I read some studies about soy proteins causing issues with thyroid levels (& i was diagnose hypothryoid after having #2) so I switched her to lactose free. she DIDNT tolerate cows milk at 1yr & STILL at 5yrs old has to drink lactaid and the only dairy she can tolerate is a little bit of cheese (like 1 slice a day max).

My third we put on soy at birth, tried lactose free after a few months (2-3) and she was screaming & spitting up like crazy! I thought it was the formula, Dr said it was colic starting (at 9wks???) and reflux. After about 3wks of screaming & spitting up ALL THE TIME, I went back to soy formula & she was fine. (isomil bothered her for some reason but not parents choice) At 1yr we switched her to soy milk, at 16mos we slowly introduced lactaid & now at 17mos shes on lactaid only. Not sure if/when I'll try cows milk with her again.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:31 AM   #30
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Re: Cow milk vs Formula

I didn't read all the posts, but if he has reflux and the zantac isn't working, there are other, stronger and different meds that the ped can describe. Zantac didn't work for us, but Prevacid was a wonder drug, nexium can also be used for treatment...sound to me like he is in pain, not at all manipulative!
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