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Old 03-18-2012, 08:26 AM   #1121
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Ok I want to know who sells foreskins because I assist with alot of circs in the nursery at the hospital and the foreskin goes right into biohazard with the instruments ( its usually still attached to the hemostat) to never be seen again. Like huge bucket of hemostats and scalpels.... No one goes thru and picks out the foreskins to sell..... Is this really true?

Lindsey - RN wishing to be a SAHM. mom to the cutest DS born 10/3/11.
i researched it more, and yeah it's true. the placentas are also sold and used in products. there was an issue with a placenta hair product that was causing female toddlers to develop breasts.

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Old 03-18-2012, 08:45 AM   #1122
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i find this particularly awful. how could you just let your little baby be whisked away for unnecessary surgery before even really seeing him? very very wrong IMO.

honestly, if a friend of mine chose to ignore all of the scientific valid reasons that you shouldn't circ, i would probably stop talking to them. how you can hear all of those reasons and say things like "well i'm doing it anyway," is beyond me and i just couldn't stay friends with someone like that. extreme? maybe.
Well she isn't just a friend, she's family, and the only family in the area with children.

Also, I don't think it helps the cause to de-friend someone. As a friend you can be a good influence.
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:04 AM   #1123
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I often wonder if all of these people who are so nonchalant about male circumcision would circ their girls if that became the norm here (like it is in some countries)? If not, why? Why is it ok to perform non-consensual plastic surgery on half of the population but not the other half?

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Old 03-18-2012, 09:44 AM   #1124
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Science Nordic article from 11/2011:

Male circumcision leads to a bad sex life
http://sciencenordic.com/male-circum...s-bad-sex-life

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I often wonder if all of these people who are so nonchalant about male circumcision would circ their girls if that became the norm here (like it is in some countries)? If not, why? Why is it ok to perform non-consensual plastic surgery on half of the population but not the other half?
Because they are ignorant of intact male anatomy and function. They think that circumcision is like clipping off a skin tag, and so they think that male circumcision and female circumcision are completely different. They think that the female victims will never come, and that the men are fine. Of course, the reality is that some men and women will "be fine" and some won't. I could go on and on for days with men's stories of damage, but those who will not see will just plug their ears and pretend that no man was ever harmed by circumcision, just like they won't hear the female circumcision victims who claim normal and fulfilled sex lives. Culture is a powerful force and few people have the interest or ability to see outside it.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:48 PM   #1126
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It is true. And sadly, sometimes the thing that makes people open their eyes is so devastating, it would be better if their eyes had remained closed. I have a friend who is VOCALLY against circing because her little boy passed away in his sleep after he bled to death in his diaper. She didn't realize what was happening because he was napping -- and like everyone else -- she thought he was handling the procedure well and was fine. When they removed his diaper it was filled with blood. Devastating for that family. Her DS and my DS would have been about the same age.
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It is true. And sadly, sometimes the thing that makes people open their eyes is so devastating, it would be better if their eyes had remained closed. I have a friend who is VOCALLY against circing because her little boy passed away in his sleep after he bled to death in his diaper. She didn't realize what was happening because he was napping -- and like everyone else -- she thought he was handling the procedure well and was fine. When they removed his diaper it was filled with blood. Devastating for that family. Her DS and my DS would have been about the same age.
That is terrible. Sadly, the fact that babies die from circumcision is not enough to stop most people. I know it didn't stop my BIL. That was my last-ditch effort and he still just couldn't live with his son having a foreskin and was willing to take the risk.
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It is true. And sadly, sometimes the thing that makes people open their eyes is so devastating, it would be better if their eyes had remained closed. I have a friend who is VOCALLY against circing because her little boy passed away in his sleep after he bled to death in his diaper. She didn't realize what was happening because he was napping -- and like everyone else -- she thought he was handling the procedure well and was fine. When they removed his diaper it was filled with blood. Devastating for that family. Her DS and my DS would have been about the same age.
Every parent's worst nightmare - finding that your sleeping baby is actually dead. And to add to the guilt and horror, that it was something you did that caused it. I can't imagine the grief. It's easy to point fingers and assign blame, but nothing I could ever say could make them feel worse than they already do, so my heart just goes out to them.

I think it was a story like this one that started me looking into circumcision. If DD1 had been a DS, she probably would have been circed - it's just what you do right? Daddy is, so he would have been. A few years ago I read something like this where either a baby bled to death or came close, and I started questioning if it was actually beneficial enough to make it worth the risk. I came to the conclusion that no, it wasn't. It's hard not to judge those still choose to circ, but I try not to. After all, I'd have done it if I hadn't read something that opened my eyes. Now it's looking like all my research on the subject is going to be academic, since this baby is another girl, and I seriously doubt we'll have any more, but both DH and I are in agreement that surgery for our children will be on a needs basis, and a last resort when other options have failed.
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Every parent's worst nightmare - finding that your sleeping baby is actually dead. And to add to the guilt and horror, that it was something you did that caused it. I can't imagine the grief. It's easy to point fingers and assign blame, but nothing I could ever say could make them feel worse than they already do, so my heart just goes out to them.

I think it was a story like this one that started me looking into circumcision. If DD1 had been a DS, she probably would have been circed - it's just what you do right? Daddy is, so he would have been. A few years ago I read something like this where either a baby bled to death or came close, and I started questioning if it was actually beneficial enough to make it worth the risk. I came to the conclusion that no, it wasn't. It's hard not to judge those still choose to circ, but I try not to. After all, I'd have done it if I hadn't read something that opened my eyes. Now it's looking like all my research on the subject is going to be academic, since this baby is another girl, and I seriously doubt we'll have any more, but both DH and I are in agreement that surgery for our children will be on a needs basis, and a last resort when other options have failed.

...fwiw, in Canada, around 90% of boys are now left intact.
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...fwiw, in Canada, around 90% of boys are now left intact.
And funnily enough that has a lot to do with the fact that our provincial health care systems don't cover it. Once parents who are unaccustomed to opening their wallets for health care are asked to pay, miraculously their little boys don't need to be snipped. Nasty government interference....
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