View Poll Results: Education/self-support
The wage earner(s) are college educated and we are self-sufficient 51 62.20%
Whe wage earner(s) have specialized, ie. trade school, education and we are self-sufficient 5 6.10%
The wage earner(s) do not have post high school education and we are self-sufficient 15 18.29%
The wage earners do not have a high school diploma/GED and we are self sufficient 2 2.44%
The wage earner(s) are college educated and we are NOT self-sufficient 8 9.76%
The wage earner(s) are trade/specialized educated and we are NOT self-sufficient 1 1.22%
The wage earner(s) have a HS diploma/GED and we are NOT self-sufficient 0 0%
The wage earner(s) do not have a high school education and we are NOT self-sufficient 0 0%
Other - because there always is 0 0%
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:37 AM   #51
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You may be right, that I am biased. I'll admit that. I guess my feeling is that while there are certainly lots of careers out there that do not require higher education, they can be harder to break into and to find a position where you can advance, get health insurance and benefits, etc. I think a college degree opens up a lot of opportunities. If my kids want to go a different route, I would be okay with that but I'd want them to have thought out how they're going to achieve their career aspirations. As I said in my last post, my mom is one who had no college degree and has worked her way up to a management position in the largest auto dealer in her state. She makes great money. Much better than DH and I right now. But I've also watched as I was growing up how much we struggled financially as she was gaining experience and working her way up. I don't think it's wrong for me to want to help my kids avoid those challenges if it is at all possible.
And the reality is that when your mom retires & they have to backfill her position (or they promote somebody & have to backfill that, etc.), depending on the candidate pool, they can very easily make a Bachelor's a completely arbitrary qualification; it happens all the time. My dad did factory work for a while...he was a shift supervisor, but could never advance beyond that b/c the company required a degree--even though the person who eventually got the promotion was not very good at the job! A posting just went out at DP's work for a job opportunity she'd really like...except she's not qualified b/c they require that candidates have a teeny-tiny, brand new, almost-nobody's-had-the-opportunity certification. She can pay to get the cert, & she will, but she won't get it until after the deadline for this job. In a twisted way, employers frequently see more education as a statement of intelligence, drive, dedication to the field, and a very easy/convenient way to "separate the wheat from the chaff," so to speak.

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Old 05-03-2012, 09:02 AM   #52
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I don't disagree that a college degree can open opportunities. I just disagree with the idea that a degree is the ONLY way to open opportunities. I also think it's a bit overly optimistic to assume that a degree is going avoid the challenges of financially struggling and "moving up."

Neither my mom nor sister have college degrees and they own their own successful cake business.

Ultimately, I do WANT my kids to have college degrees, and I do expect that they will end up getting them. I just am not going to be upset if they don't get one...IF they have plans and goals. I just think that a goal, a plan and ambition are much more important.
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I have a bachelor's degree in political science and will have a master's degree in public administration in August. DH dropped out of a four-year college. He is currently enrolled at a community college and will earn an associate's degree in business technology.

We're self sufficient. I'm the primary wage earner. My salary is about 1K per month higher than his.

None of the jobs he has ever pursued required a degree, but we do expect him to get a small salary boost when he gets his degree. Since I graduated from college, every job I have pursued in my field has required at least a bachelor's degree, and it's becoming more common for applicants to have master's degrees.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:20 PM   #54
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I don't disagree that a college degree can open opportunities. I just disagree with the idea that a degree is the ONLY way to open opportunities. I also think it's a bit overly optimistic to assume that a degree is going avoid the challenges of financially struggling and "moving up."

Neither my mom nor sister have college degrees and they own their own successful cake business.

Ultimately, I do WANT my kids to have college degrees, and I do expect that they will end up getting them. I just am not going to be upset if they don't get one...IF they have plans and goals. I just think that a goal, a plan and ambition are much more important.
I agree with this. I want (and expect) my kids to go to college, but I also know that getting a college degree isn't an instant ticket to success. I have too many friends that floated through college (expensive private colleges) without any goals or ambitions. And now they regret the whole experience because they have huge student loans that will take decades to pay off. They assumed that getting a college degree (especially at a good private school) would just automatically open all sorts of doors and guarantee 'x' amount of income, but that just isn't the case. I will encourage my girls to have goals prior to entering college, but I also understand how hard it is to know at 18 years old what you want to do with your life!
I can only hope that the cost of college doesn't increase at the insane rates they have been increasing. I feel strongly that a college education is very beneficial in many ways (and a great experience in general), so I do want my girls to experience that.
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My husband has a bachelor's degree, we are completely self-sufficient (always have been).
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