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Old 09-07-2012, 04:23 PM   #331
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This may not work for everyone. I'm just gathering the info I have found over the years that have worked super well for us. I do load sof research before i try anything. There are so many help me posts every day, I thought I would try to help. Just from a moma to a moma!

I have never had issues with ammonia other than fsot dipes. I had one batch I thought would never get clean.

Here is what I found to work that has not failed me yet:
My water heater is cranked and puts out water 145 deg.

I load the tub with everything (but wool).
Handheld shower sprayer works best, fill with HOT till it's all covered and quirt a generious amnt of dawn on everything. Slosh it all in or use the sprayer. When the water cools enough to slip those feet in, stomp wash. Add more HOT water and repeat this a cpl times during the day. Let soak over night. (if you have hard water, add a softner like borax or calgon to help the dawn do it's job.) Rinse well the next am and toss in the washer for 2 washes with 1/4 cup original bleach or more. It sometimes takes a cpl go rounds with bleach to kill all of the bacteria. Use HOT washes!

Then you should have a fresh start.

Now trouble shoot your wash routine!

-Dirties need plenty of ventilation. They also need to stay cool.
-Try to wash close to every other day if poss. You need enough diapers to grind against each other to get the job done. Not too many or there isn't enough room for them to slosh in the water.
-A prewash is very important to rinse out the old urine and bm.
Warm-hot is best as human wasts are more soluable in warmer temps. Blood is an exception and the hot will set the proteins.
many momas have luck with cold, this just works best for us.
-I'm a bit of a health/laundry/chem dork.
-Do you have hard or soft water?
--Hard hater needs more detergent or a softner like borax or calgon. It boosts the cleaning power of your detergent, softens the water, blocks the hard water minerals, and lets the minerals wash away rather than setteling on the fibers. It will NOT removes the minerals allready in the fibers, just prevents. To learn more, visit calgon.com.
--For soft water, you need less detergent or you will end up withtoo many suds and residue or buildup on the material.
-Are there suds in the final rinse?
--Some suds can be from aggitation, some won't hurt a thing. Hot water and some water types can have a foggy look and suds that MAY be normal for your water. Big, soapy bubbles mean you have too much detergent still in the fibers.
-Are you using enough detergent?
--Many laundry issues are simply because you are not using enough detergent. 1 tsp is just simply not enough to clean diapers.
-Do you use a natural of main stream detergent?
--Natural detergents are great for the enviroment. The fact is that they just don't get the diapers clean enough. You arn't alone.Momas post here every day with stinkies using natural "cd"detergents. perhaps it's time for something stronger?
--Don't fear enzymes. They simply eat away at the soils. Bac-Out is a great example! There is another called kids and pets sold at walmart for super cheap. This stuff rocks. Tide for an example, has enzymes in it.
-Do you bleach?
--1/4 cup of original bleach (not scented or splashless, or some generics). You have to have the one with the 6% disinfecting ingredient in it. Some only contain like 2%.
--I have persionally bleached every load for almost 7 yrs now.I have yet to see the damage some manufacturers talk about. I have some faded wipes, dyed pf's, and fitteds. that's not important to me though. I want clean.
-I have a fl'er so only use 1/4 cup, but Clorox told me 3/4 is what they recomend for any sized load of diapers. I would only rec this much in an old style tl'er because of soooo much water.
-Oxy is a great prewash additive!
-Have you tried LIQUID DETERGENT?
--I had a thread a while back with my almost 2 hr talk with tide mgmnt a while back. They say their liquid if formulated to rinse cleaner in most water types than their powder.
--I have know that for ever though. From hard to soft water, only liquid worked well for us.
--Tide ultra, it's only a concentrated version of the old tide. It get's more concentrated about every 8-10 years. They only removed fillers. So no need to be scared of the stuff.
--Tide original still exists! I use it, always have. It's the liquid formula!

My wash routine that has remained basically the same the whole time I have cd'd:

27 min quickwash cycle on HOT with nothing, sometimes 2 scoops generic sunoxy for really nasty loads.

Sanitise cycle with either tide original liquid he or dropps and 1/4 cup bleach.

60 min dryer on high heat.
DONE

-Make sure your diapers are getting really dry!
-A dryer may add wear to your aplix, but did you know... It greatly reduces the moisture levels in the material, kills germs, softens material, and doesn't hurt pul. If you have a cover leaking, it's recomended to toss it in the dryer on high heat for a few mins to reseal the pul!

-Don't be worried about the warrenty garbage. They just keep adding restrictions. Like enzymes for example. CB had a chemist do a reasearch and publish a paper for them. He said some babies may be sensitive to enzymes, but no way will it hurt the fabric. Yet they still have that clause in their warrenty. I do have to give them a thumbs up because they do recomend bleach, along with a cpl other big cd co's. Yay for them!

So do what works for you! Start with the detergent you normally use, don't be afraid to wash those dirty diapers for what they are and not collectables, and ya know...you already know how to wash laundry!!

While some of these tips may not work for every family, it may help you find what works for you which is all that matters!

I know I forgot some things, if i remember I will add.
Thanks :-)

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Old 09-07-2012, 05:17 PM   #332
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bumping because there seem to be a lot of stinkies going around. Good luck mamas!
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So I've been battling ammonia for awhile now. Maybe 3 months? I have 2 in cloth and use a combo of pockets, AIO's, receiving blanket flats and fst, prefolds and various covers. I've stripped in dawn, used the ammona fish tank stuff, bleach, all types of detergents etc. So here's my wash routine:

I wash every day to every other day (usually every day and a half) in a normal TL'er

Pre-wash-used to use cold but have switched to warm
Wash on HOT with a warm rinse- right now I have all f&c but I've tried charlies, ecos, tide(kids and I are allergic) country save and bumgenius detergent.
I sun all items unless it's yucky outside then I hang covers and toss everything in the dryer for about 45 minutes.

So this last time I added bleach to the pre wash and wash cycles and everything seemed really clean. I put both kids in recieving blanket flats and they both looked good after that diaper change. I then put my DD in a bsrb and a cover, and my son in a flip with a prefold. he was a little pink after that change and my dd was RED so back to sposies. I wanna get this figured out since I love using cloth and would rather not spend $$$ on sposies. So should I try a detergent like A&H or Gain maybe? Strip with Dawn again? We do have hard water by the way and I use either calgon or washing soda with the detergent, but I haven't ever used it when I stripped. Maybe that would help?
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:18 AM   #337
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So I've been battling ammonia for awhile now. Maybe 3 months? I have 2 in cloth and use a combo of pockets, AIO's, receiving blanket flats and fst, prefolds and various covers. I've stripped in dawn, used the ammona fish tank stuff, bleach, all types of detergents etc. So here's my wash routine:

I wash every day to every other day (usually every day and a half) in a normal TL'er

Pre-wash-used to use cold but have switched to warm
Wash on HOT with a warm rinse- right now I have all f&c but I've tried charlies, ecos, tide(kids and I are allergic) country save and bumgenius detergent.
I sun all items unless it's yucky outside then I hang covers and toss everything in the dryer for about 45 minutes.

So this last time I added bleach to the pre wash and wash cycles and everything seemed really clean. I put both kids in recieving blanket flats and they both looked good after that diaper change. I then put my DD in a bsrb and a cover, and my son in a flip with a prefold. he was a little pink after that change and my dd was RED so back to sposies. I wanna get this figured out since I love using cloth and would rather not spend $$$ on sposies. So should I try a detergent like A&H or Gain maybe? Strip with Dawn again? We do have hard water by the way and I use either calgon or washing soda with the detergent, but I haven't ever used it when I stripped. Maybe that would help?
A change in detergent may help, something like arm and hammer. But, how much detergent are you useing? I'm just wondering how hard your water is. Are you getting a good little suds with the amnt of detergent you are useing? You will need to add the softner to every load. When hard water builds up in fabric, it gived places for ammonia crystals to form. I hate to say this, but when you get the ammonia and want to make a change to try to help, your going to need to strip. How have you striped? The key is enough dawn, a softner (for hard water), time, aggitation, heat. Have you given the tub method a shot yet? What about an after rinse? Could be the detergent not rinseing well. It's normally one of two things: too much or too little detergent. Could it be too much? Sorry for all the questions. Also, feel free to pm me anytime if you need. Oh, one last thing. Have you tried an enzyme cleaner? The kids n pets in the blue/wht bottle I talk about is awsome. And if your haveing this much trouble, I wouldn't keep trying the natural detergents. You may just need something stronger. They won't work for some momas. I loved all f and c, but clears for unknown reasions, just won't work for everyone.
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I just stripped them with the tub method (dawn, calgon and super HOT water) Rinsed the mess out of em and tossed them in the washed and they are drying as I type. I think the issue that started it was not using enough detergent so I upped the detergent and switched from cold rinses to warm rinses. I am hoping that this does it. I have half of a HUGE bottle of all f & c so I'm hoping that works for the diapers. If not then I'll try the arm and hammer stuff next. With the kids n pets should I spray the diapers every time? That's the next thing I'm gonna get to try. I just hate buying sposies when I have a stash to use kwim? Hope this gets rid of that darn ammonia!
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I just stripped them with the tub method (dawn, calgon and super HOT water) Rinsed the mess out of em and tossed them in the washed and they are drying as I type. I think the issue that started it was not using enough detergent so I upped the detergent and switched from cold rinses to warm rinses. I am hoping that this does it. I have half of a HUGE bottle of all f & c so I'm hoping that works for the diapers. If not then I'll try the arm and hammer stuff next. With the kids n pets should I spray the diapers every time? That's the next thing I'm gonna get to try. I just hate buying sposies when I have a stash to use kwim? Hope this gets rid of that darn ammonia!
Well, that's kinda hard to know the correct directions with it. It's mainly a spot on enzyme cleaner for carpets with urine and bm stains. Here's what I do when I use it. I use it after week long camp trips and such. I do a hot quickwash (our water heater is cranked to 145), I do a hot sanitary cycle with detergent and aprox 1/4 the bottle, then the bleach despinses and my machine does an extra hot rinse. Then I put in the dryer for at least 60 min with high heat (our dryer is new so no old dryer overheating). Done. I have had some seriously rank loads after trips. Never a prob with that routine. Now with your situation, you may wanna try more? Just use it as a once a month treatment? Wour it into your scedual, kwin. For the first time though, I'd go with more. Can you open your lid to let them soak too? LMG see if it has laundry directions. ............Ok, use on the spot for stains, for the machine as a booster, use one full cup. You may need more than that in a tl'er. Totally up to you. It's just an enzyme treater, like that funk rock stuff I think is the name. The problem with hard water is this: you can use something like lest say calgon. It will prevent hard water minerals from depositing, but it can't remove it. Hopefully that's not the root cause. I know I wouldn't have made it washing in hard water for as long as I did withour borax or calgon. I never could get a good routine untill I started useing it. All kinds of diaper wash trends back then too. All kinds of special instructions. I tossed it out the window and figured out it was like washing super nasty whites. Hope the lo's bums are feeling better! I'm praying this works for you. It breaks by heart to see this kind of situation. Big hun for sticking with it and trying your best to figure it all out.
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So *knock on wood* the kids have been in the diapers for over 24 hours and not one even slightly pink booty!! I am still gonna pick up the kids n pets to have on hand but I think just upping the detergent and using the calgon/borax is the key. I'll try bleaching and using the kids n pets once a month and see how that goes. SO glad to have them back in cloth and rash free Thanks again for all your help!
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