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Old 11-18-2012, 09:23 AM   #11
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My reasons are personal and faith related and are more related to my views on abstinance than they are on the scientific information about this vaccine. We have made the decision to revisit our decision in the next couple of years. My oldest son is 11 and my daughter is only 7. My son has no interest in girls yet and so we have a little time to consider what we want to do.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ital-sex_x.htm

A survey of 40,000 people found that 90%+ of all Americans have premarital sex. So statistically, even if your kids wait the chances are good that their partner didn't. And HPV is sneaky: it is entirely possible that your child's partner could have it and not know it and one of your kids could end up infected even if they both wait.

That said, why do your views on abstinence matter? If you don't have any problem with the vaccine from a health standpoint, shouldn't you want your kids to be as safe as possible even if they make decisions that you disagree with? There have been so many studies done that show that abstinence only education only delays the onset of sexual activity by about six months and the kids who wait that extra half year then have less safe sex with a higher rate of STI infection and pregnancy. Give your kids all of the information, protect them to the best of your ability (access to condoms, birth control, etc.), and then trust that you raised them right and that they are good kids who will make you proud.

On topic of the original article: I did a quick search on Google Scholar. There doesn't seem to be anything from any reliable sources that would indicate that the article is scientifically sound or really has any scientific basis at all. Here's some good information about premature ovarian failure, though:

http://www.ojrd.com/content/1/1/9

This site provides a good discussion of the claim as well (although the author has some pretty strong opinions on the reasoning behind attacks on the drug):

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...l-not-so-fast/

These are the parts I found most relevant:

"[The authors of the article OP linked] point out in the introduction that premature ovarian failure has an estimated incidence of 10/100,000 person-years between the ages of 15 and 29. Other sources suggest that the incidence of such ovarian dysfunction might be as high as 1 in 1,000 before the age of 40. The authors also cite sources that find that the cause of ovarian failure before the age of 40 ďremains unknown in up to 90% of cases.Ē In other words, in the vast majority of cases premature ovarian failure is idiopathic. We donít know what caused it. [emphasis added] In the cases where a cause can be identified, potential causes are several and include autoimmune disorders..., genetics, chemotherapy, hysterectomy..., thyroid dysfunction..., Turner syndrome, inadequate gonadotropin secretion or action, and viral infections.

...And when did this girl receive her anti-HPV vaccine? According to the case report, she received doses in May and August of 2008. Now letís go back to the case report. This girl started to have irregular menses in early 2009, more than five months after her last dose of Gardasil, and then she didnít stop menstruating until a year later, in early 2010."

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Old 11-18-2012, 09:23 AM   #12
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:24 AM   #14
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I do vax and my kids aren't getting it either. We don't do "new" vaccines. My plan for now is to skip it for the boys and wait and see once the girls are older what research there is about how effective/safe it is long term. We haven't reached the age yet where it is offered but it will be only the second vax I've ever declined. #1 was Rotovirus nasal mist which is brand new here (not offered to my 2011 DD, but on the regular schedule for my 2012 DD!), only done in the first 6 months, and would require doing more then one vax at a time - none of which I was ok with.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:01 PM   #15
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we vaccinate, but still have no plans to give any children this vaccine.

and it's due to things like this blog post, indirectly.
being that it's not old enough and the research isn't out there yet.
it's too new and my child isn't going to be part of the guinea pig group.
and it continues to be highly controversial because it's just not researched well.

While I intend to teach my child about abstinence, etc - I find that to be a less good reason to not use this vaccine. My sister lost her virginity on her wedding night. Her husband most certainly did not. He's a wonderful man with a past that has been forgiven by God. Regardless of how my sister was raised, her husband COULD have brought HPV into their marriage. He didn't, but he could have. So, you can't logically protect your children simply through educating them. Their chosen spouse could have been raised very differently.

I just bring that up because I think it's forgotten often.

but I choose not to do this vaccine for any reason. It's simply not researched enough. Plus we're from Texas and when some governor tries to mandate something for you - you tend to fight back.
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I choose no on this vaccine for other potential side effects I have seen with my own eyes, and we will delay MMR due to family history of autism. Other than that, we will short term delay to receive one vaccine with aluminum at a time with our next (I wasn't educated enough with ds, and will do this from 2 on with him).
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:58 PM   #17
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ital-sex_x.htm

A survey of 40,000 people found that 90%+ of all Americans have premarital sex. So statistically, even if your kids wait the chances are good that their partner didn't. And HPV is sneaky: it is entirely possible that your child's partner could have it and not know it and one of your kids could end up infected even if they both wait.

That said, why do your views on abstinence matter? If you don't have any problem with the vaccine from a health standpoint, shouldn't you want your kids to be as safe as possible even if they make decisions that you disagree with? There have been so many studies done that show that abstinence only education only delays the onset of sexual activity by about six months and the kids who wait that extra half year then have less safe sex with a higher rate of STI infection and pregnancy. Give your kids all of the information, protect them to the best of your ability (access to condoms, birth control, etc.), and then trust that you raised them right and that they are good kids who will make you proud.

On topic of the original article: I did a quick search on Google Scholar. There doesn't seem to be anything from any reliable sources that would indicate that the article is scientifically sound or really has any scientific basis at all. Here's some good information about premature ovarian failure, though:

http://www.ojrd.com/content/1/1/9

This site provides a good discussion of the claim as well (although the author has some pretty strong opinions on the reasoning behind attacks on the drug):

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...l-not-so-fast/

These are the parts I found most relevant:

"[The authors of the article OP linked] point out in the introduction that premature ovarian failure has an estimated incidence of 10/100,000 person-years between the ages of 15 and 29. Other sources suggest that the incidence of such ovarian dysfunction might be as high as 1 in 1,000 before the age of 40. The authors also cite sources that find that the cause of ovarian failure before the age of 40 ďremains unknown in up to 90% of cases.Ē In other words, in the vast majority of cases premature ovarian failure is idiopathic. We donít know what caused it. [emphasis added] In the cases where a cause can be identified, potential causes are several and include autoimmune disorders..., genetics, chemotherapy, hysterectomy..., thyroid dysfunction..., Turner syndrome, inadequate gonadotropin secretion or action, and viral infections.

...And when did this girl receive her anti-HPV vaccine? According to the case report, she received doses in May and August of 2008. Now letís go back to the case report. This girl started to have irregular menses in early 2009, more than five months after her last dose of Gardasil, and then she didnít stop menstruating until a year later, in early 2010."
Simply having a view on abstinance does not mean that our children will be ill informed about sex, protection, health and emotional ramifications of intercourse, etc. I think you made an assumption that isn't accurate. Information is power and we would not deny our children information in this area that can help them make important decisions in their lives. That does not however mean that it necessarily follows that we will give this vaccine to young preteen children. We already said no at 11 for our son. As I said, we may revisit it down the road. It is not an irreversible decision. And, even if we choose not to get the vaccine for our kids, the would have the ability to get it for themselves as they become adults.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:35 PM   #18
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From all I've read on it, if I had to make the decision right now I'd avoid on this one. However, my daughters are 5 and 6months, so I have time. I'll re-examine it when they're old enough for it to be an issue.
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