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Old 11-24-2012, 10:48 AM   #61
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I actually know someone who did not get the Strep B antibiotics and her baby got very sick because of it. He almost died. Thankfully he recovered and is normal and healthy... but if you are positive for Strep B, I honestly would not decline the antibiotics. Too risky in my opinion, especially knowing someone who's baby got very ill and DID regret not getting the antibiotics.

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Old 11-24-2012, 11:13 AM   #62
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Sorry if this is a thread hijack- I've had Group B with both of my children and have it in my urine now at 16 weeks pregnant. I had antibiotics with both of my labors, both children were fine. However, since I have also had Cholestasis with both pregnancies, it would be nice to not have an added complication. Do any of you know if taking probiotics (how much/often) would help since Im already passing it?
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:39 PM   #63
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Do your homework, mama. There are some different options other than iv antibiotics. The risk of GBS diminishes with term babies, fewer vaginal checks, and a quick labor. Other factors to consider are water births and not washing the baby because the vernix can help protect baby from GBS. I was GBS+ with the first and had a quick labor (less than 4 hours), used Hibiclens, had a water birth at home, and did not wash baby for a few days. Things were great!
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:59 PM   #64
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i did not test for group b with dd's home births. #1 having water birth, #2 water doesnt break until baby comes out #3 not doing cervical exams.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:52 PM   #65
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Do they let you decline? after doing lots of research i've decided i want to decline if my results come back positive but our hospital won't allow us to decline (i have kaiser). Also from what I 've seen, midwives test for group B strep but usually do not administer antibiotics...
Midwives do what you consent to just like OBs and mine administered the antibiotics. I don't have personal experience with this but a friend of mine declined and her daughter was infected and is now blind as a result. She regrets it sorely. But please do you own research and make an informed choice.
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Sorry if this is a thread hijack- I've had Group B with both of my children and have it in my urine now at 16 weeks pregnant. I had antibiotics with both of my labors, both children were fine. However, since I have also had Cholestasis with both pregnancies, it would be nice to not have an added complication. Do any of you know if taking probiotics (how much/often) would help since Im already passing it?
I don't know about this personally, but my MW for DS told me that if you are colonized to the point of having it in your urine, it is VERY hard to get rid of.

I don't know how true that is. I just know that is what she said. She said it takes a lot longer, and more aggressive treatment (I'd imagine that means higher doses of probiotics, a more strict diet, etc) to get rid of it.
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I don't know about this personally, but my MW for DS told me that if you are colonized to the point of having it in your urine, it is VERY hard to get rid of.

I don't know how true that is. I just know that is what she said. She said it takes a lot longer, and more aggressive treatment (I'd imagine that means higher doses of probiotics, a more strict diet, etc) to get rid of it.
I had a UTI in my middle of my second pregnancy. My urine also tested positive for GBS. I was treated w/ antibiotics. I had a planned HB, took oral antibiotics in labor, I was given several choices by my HB midwife. Anyway I have had 8 more HB's since and have chosen not to test for GBS, but presume positive and have used natural remedies. Anyway, my bit of anecdotal.
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I had a UTI in my middle of my second pregnancy. My urine also tested positive for GBS. I was treated w/ antibiotics. I had a planned HB, took oral antibiotics in labor, I was given several choices by my HB midwife. Anyway I have had 8 more HB's since and have chosen not to test for GBS, but presume positive and have used natural remedies. Anyway, my bit of anecdotal.
Where I am, it isn't possible for homebirthing moms to get access to oral abx from a homebirth mw, and nearly impossible for a homebirthing mother to visit a regular ob or physician to get a script for abx for something pg related while planning a homebirth. So that info was all relative to treating gbs+ with only otc and home remedies.
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I am seriously not sure what that added of any value to the argument for IV abx in labor to treat GBS. It was so rude and condescending.

I muscled through it anyway.

I noticed the study the author references was using wipes. Seriously? That is ridiculous. I am nearly positive that Hibiclens is used in a different manner than what the study described. Which makes the study totally useless.

I also find his arguments against Hibiclens to be ill-informed, at best. The REASON we're told not to use it is b/c it's not been tested on pregnant/nursing moms. Well, DUH! NO drugs (that I am aware of) are actively tested on pregnant or nursing women b/c of ethical issues... Which makes that point totally useless. If you've ever used Tylenol or Vicks Vapor rub during pregnancy, you have used something that is not studied in pregnant women.

I also noticed that he said that IV abx have helped decrease EARLY ONSET GBS infections. There are late onset infections. And IIRC (and I may not) they can be worse in outcome than early onset. So it makes me wonder how many late onset cases are stopped.... if any at all.

I also find it INCREDIBLY ironic that here the mass population is buying anti-bacterial soaps for their hands, to kill bacteria, and in fact, we're told to wash frequently to help prevent the spread of infectious disease... yet the same logic doesn't apply to our vaginas? Is the vagina somehow amazingly immune to the antibacterial abilities of medicinal soap? Or something?

Sorry, I think linking to a blog, where a guy obviously has an axe to grind against the natural birthing community, and uses mud slinging and strange logic to make a point, and then ends it with:

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it fulfills the MOST important criteria for an NCB “treatment”; it is a form of ignorant, immature, self absorbed defiance of authority. And if that isn’t a good enough reason for NCB advocates to risk killing their babies, what is?
...is completely pointless.

Things like what we're eating also play a factor. Our immune systems can't handle sugar overload. And the average American diet SUCKS. How about things like garlic? Or the fact that birthing a baby at home, or with minimal medical intervention, lessens the risks of infections spreading altogether? How about the idea that a shorter birth = far less risk to baby? Or the fact that some women will test negative but then ACTUALLY be positive... how do we treat them? Shall we just start assuming all laboring mothers are positive and giving every woman in labor IV abx? (Yay! We've just created resistant super bacteria!)

There are just too many facets of this issue to start throwing around black and white labels. Do what is comfortable to you. But don't damn me for disagreeing and doing something else.



For the sake of argument, here is a blog that references studies that SUPPORT the use of Hibiclens instead of abx (please note, they used it to FLUSH out the vagina, or to douche, NOT as a wipe):

http://navelgazingmidwife.squarespac...gbs-women.html


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