Not to stir a debate, but am I the minority now?

[metalchick1000]

Originally Posted by kimb96 I do not like the way he has set up the 'czars'

actually, nixon appointed the first czar, it's not a new term. and, unofficially, they date back to roosevelt. and bush had more czars than obama.

[daisy0306]

Originally Posted by MelissaCoffey I truly believe that money runs the country and essentially it runs a lot of people who run the country I don't think there's this "Oh hey, we hate THAT group and we're going to get them..." but I think the little man gets run over a lot in the process of the bigger man getting what he thinks he needs. That being said, I think what concerns me the most is the assumption by a lot of people that we could NEVER get to a point where our freedoms are totally lost. It has happened in so many other places, other countries. Economies have collapsed, people have been forced into slavery of some form and not been able to exercise their beliefs, their faith and just very basic freedoms we take forgranted. It's like people think we'd have to go all Brave New World for that to happen, instead of it being chipped away at little by little, law by law....So when people bring up something happening that could be the precursor to something major, I do think we ought to sit up and take notice, and act on it if necessary. Even when we may not particularly agree with the way a freedom is exercised (ie, abortion, or homosexual marriage), I think responsible citizens ought to be aware of what could happen if those freedoms were taken away altogether. I hate that abortion exists, and moreso hate that anyone feels they have to do it, but I think about China and how they exercise reproductive control and how women are FORCED to have abortions. I see radicals on both sides of an issue not realizing the issue they are fighting could very well protect a freedom they don't see as interconnected. And I think I just totally went off in left field didn't I?? ETA: I have zero trust in big pharma because of my nerdiness in reading. Not opinions but facts. They operate in an unethical manner and try market drugs for certain groups of people WHILE they are formulating the drug. I do think a lot of doctors, most doctors, do what they do out of pure goodness, but no one is exempt from being drawn into a better financial situation. I don't think the pharms are trying to KILL us, but rather trying to convince us that certain normal life occurences are medical issues that need medication, which honestly is no different than a car dealer trying to sell us the ultimate model rather than the very basic model we need. It's sales...I mean really...it's just a huge industry trying to sell a product, but I guess my issue is that for every dollar they make, more could be given to people who can't afford the medication they absolutely need. I always find it fascinating how super rich people could work so hard to make more and more money. I am simplistic though. Once you have so much, to have any more just seems stupid to me LOL!

I agree. It bothers me every time I see ANOTHER commercial for ANOTHER condition. It makes me wonder what underlying issue is not being addressed because the symptoms (ie the warning bells) are being masked by the medications.

Plus have you listened to the possible side effects?? They are worse than the symptoms!

[RobinP92202]

My hubby works as a gov't contractor editing gov't documents for the public to see. He gets to see all of the stuff we all don't see (no, he doesn't share with me, hahaha). His complete lack of trust in the gov't makes me nervous given his profession!

[pumkinsmommy]

Originally Posted by katiematie I would hardly call vaccines "successful", i could spew off a hundred instances on where the vaccines were not successful and how deaths from diseases were dropping waaaaay before vaccines were introduced. In fact, in some cases when certain vaccines were introduced, cases of diseases actually jumped! As far as the goverment caring about kids, they arent paying for free and reduced lunch, WE are with our tax dollars. WE are paying for assistance programs like WIC and food stamps. Also, if the goverment really cared about our kids they would take away that law that protects pharmaceutical companies from getting sued by parents like me who's child was mentally or physically disabled from vaccine injury. If they really cared about our kids they would force big pharma to make safer vaccines without heavy metals, animal and aborted baby tissues, neurotoxins and other very dangerous disgusting ingredients. If they cared about our kids they wouldnt use them and pregnant woman as guinea pigs for new and un-tested vaccines like the H1N1 vaccine. I could go on and on. The government wants to be in our business and they want our money as well. Thats why I dont trust 'em. money is the root of all evil and unfortunately its also the driving force behind a lot of people's motives, including the goverment's.

I disagree with most everything you said. It's so odd to me how people can deny the ben. of vaccinations. The other things that improved life in the 20th century were antibiotics, clean water/sewers, better access to food, and education. One of the most recent was the chicken pox vax. The cases have dram. declined. I don't know one child who got it after the vax. While it is still possible, it is rare and then the average number of lesions is reduced from 500 to 50. It just seems strange that in a thread once so many nonvaxers seemed to know so many children who had acquired it after the vax. Because these diseases are bascially gone(not cp) people don't remember/know the severity of what it was like. Children who aren't vaccinated are protected to a good extent because most are. If your child needed open heart surgery, you probably would take him for it. Would you think the doctor/surgeon was out for some unknown agenda other than to help a sick child?

[mommy2gr8kids78]

I don't believe that Obama is out to get us, but this H1N1 vaccine was only tested for ONE week before the first shipments were sent out! They had to cut some MAJOR corners to get this vaccine done in the time the government allowed.

[Spud'sMom]

I'm really over the vax debate, H1N1 or otherwise. We can all argue our own personal points until we're blue in the face - it won't change the fact that some of will vax and some of us won't. That's the beauty of this country - you have the right to choose whether or not to vax your child, regardless of the government's supposed (and I use that term as diplomatically as possible) oversight on testing and safety assurance. I didn't vote for Obama so I really have no right to criticize him, but I certainly don't think he's out to get us.

On a related note, Google "Operation Cyclone", do a little reading, and then let me know if you can trust the government.

[XtraOrdinary]

Originally Posted by daisy0306 I agree. It bothers me every time I see ANOTHER commercial for ANOTHER condition. It makes me wonder what underlying issue is not being addressed because the symptoms (ie the warning bells) are being masked by the medications. Plus have you listened to the possible side effects?? They are worse than the symptoms!

Yeah like....restless leg syndrome. WTF is that?????? I never ever heard of that before I saw that commercial.
That was a lil aside. Carry on, ya'll!!

[daisy0306]

Originally Posted by XtraOrdinary Yeah like....restless leg syndrome. WTF is that?????? I never ever heard of that before I saw that commercial. That was a lil aside. Carry on, ya'll!!

Totally!! Get out and run! Maybe you have restless legs syndrome cause you sit on your butt all day!

[XtraOrdinary]

Originally Posted by daisy0306 Totally!! Get out and run! Maybe you have restless legs syndrome cause you sit on your butt all day!

Reminds me of a joke of Chris Rocks. A commercial comes on saying " Do you go to sleep at night and wake up in the morning? Well if you do, you need to take this pill!!!" LMAO!!!!

Dont forget to list the 50-11 side effects, one of which will probably include death.

[CherryPie]

I don't blindly trust anything. I do have some common sense and critical thinking skills though to not believe stuff that is just plain ridiculous. There are definitely some people that I think get off on being paranoid or something.

On a side note, I hate when people post propaganda links as evidence especially when it is about something I share the same thoughts on.