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Old 12-09-2008, 03:06 PM   #1
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NEDD HELP!!!!!

Ok Ladies I could really use some of your advice!
DS is having trouble gaining weight. He is 5 1/2 months and he only weighs 12 1/2 pounds. I am really upset because the doc thinks I need to start supplementing with formula and I really really (cant stress it enough!) dont want to!
I have no idea what to do, I am so confused, I have been told by a couple ppl that 'i never gave my baby solids until they were at least 6 mnths' and I was worried that I was trying to start too early (4 mnths). So now I only give him solids a few times a week. But I would honestly rather give solids than formula.
For the most part DS is a happy active little boy, he has always been very tiny, he was only 6 lbs 15 oz when he was born, and hes been in the 3rd percentile most of the other times. For a while the doc was worried, but at his last apt she said he just appeared to be gaining weight slow and not to worry....than today happened
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:22 PM   #2
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Re: NEDD HELP!!!!!

I really have no idea. but I'm so sorry your doctor is giving such conflicting advice! maybe see if you can research b****** and weight gain on the internet - just a google search. Look up some info from conventional doctors, but also try looking for stuff from natural health perspectives, just to get a good rounded idea. So that not all your research is coming from one source. Or from the people selling the formula!

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Old 12-09-2008, 05:35 PM   #3
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Re: NEDD HELP!!!!!

well i can tell you that solids dont have the amount of calories that bm has in it. so dont feed him any solids before nursing. if you want to give him solids then make sure to nurse first.
id head to kellymom.com and search for answers. maybe he isnt getting hind milk? have you tried nursing him only on one side per feeding so he gets the hind milk?

i wouldnt be worried if he is pooping and peeing enough and meeting his milestones. he could just be a small guy and theres nothing wrong with that.
but supplementing with formula can be a very dangerous slope that leads to your supply being gone.

im sure other mamas will have great help, good luck!
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have they done a celiacs test?

Start eating as much good fats as you can, like avacado, flaxseeds, coconut, fish oil, that will help pack your milk full of the good fats he might need.
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Re: NEDD HELP!!!!!

thanks tinyblackdot, i am going to try to coconut and avacado, but no they havent tested for celiacs....i have wondered if i have it but the idea of a blood test kinda keeps me from doing it....i will do some more research...my first years book just isnt cuttin it!
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Old 12-09-2008, 11:36 PM   #6
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Re: NEDD HELP!!!!!

as icky as you may think formula is- it is the next best thing for a baby under 1 yr. Solids do not compare to breastmilk or formula. Your baby needs the nutrients that they both offer for brain development... SERIOUSLY. With that said, what are your nursing patterns? (it should be ON DEMAND, if you are worried about weight gain... AT LEAST every 3 hours.. 2 would probably be better).Does you little one sleep through the night??? How many wet diapers?

heres a few links I think would help you!
http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/so...olids-how.html
http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns..._increase.html

please read them carefully they shoudl help explain alot of things! GOOD LUCK!
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Old 12-10-2008, 03:46 AM   #7
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have they done a celiacs test?

Start eating as much good fats as you can, like avacado, flaxseeds, coconut, fish oil, that will help pack your milk full of the good fats he might need.
Testing for Celiac younger than 3 years will come back negative or inconclusive.

However, testing the parents will not, unless you are already on a gluten free diet. Gene testing will not come back inconclusive however, but not everyone with Celiac has the DQ2 or DQ9 genes.

Just FYI.

How tall is he? Is he on the same growth curve? What was your growth curve at the same age? Your DH's?

We got major greif this week at our appt saying the baby's "off his curve slightly!" and "doesn't weigh enough/ His BMI is really off!" and I was really twerked at the doctor.

The baby is crawling everywhere, constant motion unless asleep, teething (has two, getting 4 more) and I can't keep up with him all day long alone. he's EBF and 6 months.

Oh but none of that has any bearing on his growth.

BUT!! I checked my growth and I was formula fed and on solids and weighed 7.5 pounds less than he does currently and was only 1/2 inch shorter.

DH was 1/2 inch taller and weighed 2 pounds more. Also on formula and solids. So, I'm not in the least bit concerned! He's happy, healthy, not sick, no ear infections, no cold... and is interacting. He's not FTT even if he's not quite on the charts.

He wants to stand and walk when held, and he will sit only if we're sitting. He just is a ball of activity!
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Re: NEDD HELP!!!!!

Does he eliminate normally? Does he seem dehydrated at all (dry skin/lips)? That sounds very very small to me, and his birth weight is not to small... In fact, none of mine weighed that much (all 2-4 weeks early), and they were definitely over 13 lb by that age. I BF all, but after pumping found out I have little to no fat in my milk, so they nurse every 2-3 hours around the clock until weaning. Have you pumped, and does it look like skim or is there a layer of cream on top?
I would discontinue solids and do formula. Solids this early can introduce other problems, like allergies, and they lack the calories baby needs to gain weight. It will be counterproductive, I think. Formula has the necessary nutrients, just offer the breast first.
If you really really don't want to do it, start BF around the clock, waking baby up at night also every 2-3 hours. No matter what. My babies needed the night nursings to get enough calories in a day, they wouldn't thrive without them. Maybe yours does too? If he sleeps through the night, missing two feedings, and you wake him... that would up his daily caloric intake by 10-20% right?
I agree with another poster that you should nurse fully on one side, as long as you can. Then after a short break offer the other, too! Fill that baby up, mama!
That said, I have a 12 mo old that still nurses almost exclusively right now, and he is at the bottom of the scale, under 5%. None of mine ever go over the 10% range at checkups on weight. So if he's happy, I guess it's ok. Your doc is giving good advice, though, so I wouldn't be mad at him/her. If they didn't advise you to supplement at this point, that would be negligent, IMO.

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Old 12-10-2008, 06:02 AM   #9
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Here's what I think happened (I'm a PNP and CLC and do this every day) and I'm sorry you feel confused. When your baby was born, he was at the 10th percentile. As he grew he dropped to the 3rd percentile and your ped was worried, but did the right thing in being cautious and just observing. After a visit or two where your child remained on the same curve, the ped just figured he was gaining slowly but was gaining steadily at the same pace. And now at 5.5mos, your child has fallen off the growth curve entirely. That is where the ped is now telling you to supplement to improve growth.
So, solids are not good before 6mos and early introduction of them may have caused some of this problem because substituting anything for a nursing session, especially something with fewer calories, may affect your milk supply and your baby's weight gain. I'd stop the solids and nurse frequently. Monitor how many poops and pees that baby is having and if it's adequate then continue just exclusively nursing for a couple of weeks and then recheck the weight.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:19 AM   #10
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Re: NEDD HELP!!!!!

my niece was very small for and had to go see a specialist because of her lack of growth. She never had any formula and is now a happy, healthy 10 year old that is still small for her age. If you are getting enough wet and poop diapers I would not worry to much. My little man is 5 months old today and is just now hitting the 12.5-13 pound mark. He has been in the 10% at every dr. visit. I do have to give one bottle of formula a day at the sitters because I can not get enough pumped. I wish that I could get more pumped.

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