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Old 10-09-2012, 11:29 PM   #21
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I do not vaccinate and would feel very wrong doing so on many levels. As a child I was terrified of getting "shots", I would cry for hours afterwards, but not because I was in pain. As an adult I am now terrified of needles and especially the idea of having something foreign injected into my body. It's not natural and it makes me feel violated, I still cry uncontrollably even while getting my blood drawn, I think because of the "shots" as a child is so deeply rooted. I will not subject my child to this fear or to the possible pain and side effects that often occur and are completely overlooked as not possibly being a side effect from the vaccination but just rather a "coincidence".

I worked as a CNA in a Children's hospital for two years and I can't even begin to count the number of children who were admitted with severe illness and had just received their vaccinations. Also the amount of children under the age of 2 with symptoms of asthma. At least in my hospital they could not diagnose kids under two with asthma so they came up with a new name for it, and when the child turned two, then it was asthma. A child so young showing signs of these respiratory disorders has been unheard of until now, and vaccinations have been tied to it.

I've also done plenty of research on my own and many of these vaccines are given with out good reason and at inappropriate times in life. There are many different strains of each disease/virus and just because your vaccinated doesn't mean you won't get the illness if you are exposed to it. What's the point of a vaccination if you can still catch the virus. And many times the illness is not life threatening unless you already are in poor health or have a compromised immune system. I believe vaccines further weaken our systems.

I can definitely understand why many vaccinate and why we should vaccinate but it's just not a great system right now and it may never be. I don't believe the health care system has us in their best interest and frankly don't care about reactions to vaccines and just push them under the table. Money is most definitely what they're after and I believe the same for many doctors. I'm sure they're are plenty good and reasonable doctors but 99% of the ones I've come across aren't great. And I've come across and worked with more than I can count on my fingers and toes. It's been a nightmare finding a pediatrician because I've worked with most of them in our area and wouldn't bring my healthy (and definitely not when sick) child anywhere near them.

I have many other reasons but I'm sure this is plenty long I just wanted to hit a variety of points.


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Old 10-09-2012, 11:40 PM   #22
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Re: Vaccines

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I don't suppose that it's possible that there isn't much "peer-reviewed, empirical research" that is anti-vaccination because such research would not be tolerated by the mainstream scientific community? There is such a thing as science, and then there is research that is skewed and biased. Most research on vaccines is supported by the industry that promotes or manufacture vaccines.
The fact that there is a court that gives parents money for vaccine injuries to their children is evidence alone that there are risks that should be taken into account, and I feel that your comments might be hurtful to parents who have lost children not 6 months after their vaccinations, but the same day as, or days from their shots. It almost sounds like you're saying that they can't possibly know that. I personally feel that PARENTS usually know better than doctors when it comes to the health of their children, and if a mother says "my child got their 4 month vaccinations and died in bed that night, or two nights later, and I really feel that it was the vaccine..." who are we to judge?

OP, there is a documentary that you might like called "The Greater Good". I felt that it was somewhat balanced, in that it wasn't anti-vaccination, but rather, showed some families who had been affected by vaccination, and called for more research and options for parents who wanted to delay or do alternative schedules. And less judgement from the medical community for those choices, because, let's face it. CHILDREN THESE DAYS ARE NOT HEALTHY. They're just not.
I don't mean to be cruel, but we simply cannot have people going around telling half truths. Unfortunately, people die. Sudden, unexplained death doesn't end after infancy. If a child is vaccinated, shows absolutely no abnormal signs indicating an adverse reaction, dies in their sleep and an autopsy shows that it is, in fact, sudden unexpected death syndrome, there is not enough evidence to tie it to vaccination. When it comes to a parent feeling it was the vaccine, as terribly as my heart aches for them, there's simply not any evidence to back up their claim.

Absolutely nothing is 100% safe. However, vaccines are incredibly safe and severe side effects are very rare.

I am actively involved in the scientific community, and your claim that anything anti-vaccine would be pushed aside simply isn't true. Out of the countless studies, if vaccines were truly dangerous, there'd be at least one. Studies aren't only done by big labs funded by pharma, universities do them too. Do you know how big a reliable study showing vaccines to be unsafe would be? The attention it would bring the university? Lab researchers would kill for that kind of publicity. Not to mention, the scientific method is solid and independent of human bias. Though I don't doubt that there are skewed studies (cough, the vaccines-cause-autism study that was recanted), to imply that every study done since the introduction of vaccination has been tampered with or misrepresented is laughable.

As for your last point, the reason the medical community doesn't generally care for families altering or skipping vaccines is because a lot of time and research has gone into getting the schedule to the Goldilocks zone where they are being administered in a specific arrangement at specific times to ensure immunity. There's a reason that the vaccine schedules in all western countries are virtually identical.

Furthermore, THE leading cause of health issues in children today has nothing to do with vaccine injuries. It has to do with the poor diets and obesity that is running rampant. I was vaccinated and formula fed, and a very healthy child. My grandma was nursed, fed a healthy diet, not vaccinated and spent her entire childhood sick (ear infections, throat infections and a few VPDs). Some kids are more sickly than others, even if they're never vaccinated and don't leave their tiny town ever, are breastfed until age five and eat a perfect diet of all-organic local foods.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:51 PM   #23
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We don't do any vaccines. I've been researching them for about six years now....and I've concluded that they are NOT safe or very effective. Why would I inject my child with toxins and risk a possibly life changing reaction, for something that might not even protect them?

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Old 10-10-2012, 05:52 AM   #24
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We fully vaccinate on schedule. My brother is immunocompromised, and I do not want to kill him with a VPD passed on by my children. For me, the benefits far outweigh the risks.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:00 PM   #25
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We select/delay vaxes. My oldst reacted to Prevnar/HiB, so I held out a while and researched a little more. All of my kiddos have had DTaP, MMR, and Polio and are up-to-date on those. We will do CP Vax at 13-14, as well as HepB and probably even the cervical cancer one. My main beef is that they do too many too soon, I like to delay mine til babies are a bit older, and only do one injection per leg, finish the series, then do another one. They have many combo vaxes, so this last baby got Pedarix. I have always believed in vaxes, but I don't expect them to work 100% of the time. I also got WC as a teen and was vaxed, so I know they don't That said, they do tend to work a lot of the time.

I agree w/ whomever posted that HepB was basically and STD and a baby is not at all at risk for it. Infact when I had my twins my SIL had her baby the same day so we shared a room. Her Dr. came in and asked about doing it before leaving the hospital. She was uncertain and asked his opinion. He started out saying "Well, it is basically an STD, and you are really only at risk for if it you engage in risky behaviors like sex or IV drug use..." I thought he was being really honest... then he went on to say something to the effect of if you were in a car crash, a good samaratin stoped and helped and scratched his arm, he had HepB, a drop of blood happened to get into the babys eye.. and she would have it! Yikes! So, lets just go ahead and give it to her now so we won't have to worry. ANd she will be covered for life. Seriously, this is why you should vax your baby for HepB in the hosptial... and yes, she did. I just kept my own council, my babies were not This is one I think should be given at puberty, and I will at that time.

CP, this is up to you. We had CP here this summer, it was seriously no big deal at all. If you have an immune compromised child I can see getting it, or if your child gets older and hasn't contracted it. I didn't take mine to the Dr., so it's not documented, so they will either have to have the vax or an exemption from now on.

I really wish Drs would be more open to discussing the pros/cons of each particular vax instead of following the schedule.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:05 PM   #26
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I fully delay fully vaccinating. My daughter started getting her vaccines very slowly at age 3 and will be fully vaccinated for Kindergarten at age 5. My son at 15 months has had no vaccinations.

My reasoning is that these vaccines are too much, too soon for their little bodies and being that they are home with me their exposure is limited. They are breastfed and protected in that way too. My reasoning for vaccinating is that I believe in herd immunity (although I disagree with the varicella vax) and NY does not really allow selective vaxing. My husband wanted our children vaccinated and this was a compromise we could both live with.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:11 PM   #27
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:14 PM   #28
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It's always easy for people to say that vaxs don't cause issues. When their child has never experienced an issue.

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Old 10-10-2012, 09:21 PM   #29
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:12 PM   #30
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I am selective vax and DS has not received any yet. Ad of right now my plan is the Dtap trio starting at 1 year. Then HIB and PC when he is old enough to only need one dose to receive immunity. Then MMR, and polio around maybe 3 and 5. At around 12 I will give him varicella if he hasn't had chicken pox yet. He will have Hep B and A in his early teens. I still need to do research on Meningococcal. He didn't receive rotavirus and will never get flu or HPV. I am not 100% set on this schedule. I have read so much and it has all kind of blurred together in my subconscious so I am just left with my general impression for each one. Honestly right now my gut says to not do any and i may push DTap back farther. If we make any plans to travel overseas we will vaccinate appropriately for wherever we plan to travel. I also want to look into homeopathic vaccine which from what I understand use the virus put without the crappy ingredients, I may be wrong on that though. I think it's worth looking into at least.
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