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Old 02-01-2011, 01:47 AM   #71
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Re: Please help my baby wont breast feed and midwife says to give up :(

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Well I went back to weighing him before and after eating as even with continual nursing he was not any less hungry. He was still eating the same amount in suppliments even though we are having no issues getting him on now and he was doing well nursing up to 45 minutes and both breaats.

But he is not pulling the milk. With 45 minutes nursing he only got 5 ml milk, that is less then I get with pumping.

Even now pumping every 2 and a half hours for 10 minutes, my milk flow is not increasing. On a very rare occasion I may get 40 total between both breasts, but I am averaging between 15-25, and often times I get nothing, drops, or 5-10ml.

I am really starting to wonder if this is a dead end road.

The LC is supposed to come this week, so I will update.

But if anyone has any suggestions as to why he could be nursing and not puling milk I am all ears.
I had a very similar problem. It turns out I had insufficient glandular tissue, and was never able to get up to a full supply, but it did increase dramatically. At first, DS was getting about 20ml per feeding total from both sides, if I pumped afterwards, I got between 0 and 6 ml. In total, was making less than 6 oz per day. I was able to get that up to 14oz/day by doing the following:

-I nursed every 2 hours day and night, for as long as DS was swallowing, allowing a bit of time for let downs. I also used switch nursing - right side until he stopped swallowing/drinking, then left, then right, then left. This makes sure baby has a chance to get everything you're making.
-I pumped for 20 - 30 minutes after every nursing session...this was really frustrating at first because I literally got nothing - usually just a few drops in the collector bottles. Combined with switch nursing, this empties your breasts as much as possible and stimulates them, challenging your body to make more.
-I supplemented DS with formula/pumped milk with a homemade lactation device. I got a ton of feeding tubes from the hospital and just poked them into the nipple of the bottle and taped the end to my breast. We never used bottles, to avoid nipple preference. I only supplemented after both breasts were completely emptied. I tried SNS, but liked the home-made version better-easier to use and to clean.
-I took blessed thistle and fenugreek, but they didn't do anything
-I took the maximum dose of Domperidone - 4 tablets, 4 times daily. This seemed to make the biggest difference.

I started working part time when he was 3 months old, necessitating bottles. Within a month, he refused to latch, so I pumped exclusively until he was 7 months. If I pumped a minimum of 8 times per day, including at least one overnight pump (between 1am and 5am), then I could get 420-440ml/day (14oz), or 2-3 bottles for DS each day. Sometimes I even got 90ml in one sitting. This was a huge victory for me, but it was a ton of work.

Remember that anything you can give him is great, and don't be hard on yourself. I was horribly depressed because of my inability to EBF, and don't remember anything from DS's first 4 months other than panicking about feeding him. First and foremost, feed your baby, any way you can, and remember to enjoy him.

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Old 02-01-2011, 05:37 AM   #72
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Re: Please help my baby wont breast feed and midwife says to give up :(

Update!!!

The new midwife came today she will finish out 2 weeks nachsorge then the additional time with nursing help (8 visits) Someone mentioned you can get longer, perhaps with a frauenarzt refferal anyne know?

Anyways for the first time we got Luca to nurse without the nipple shield and he got 30ml from the breast on the first try.

Opinions of course vary and this will conflict with some people opinions here, but here is our game plan.

At feeding time I am nursing him with the sns with 100ml inside (allowing 20 for breast milk, plus any extra he leaves behind). I try first without the nipple shield, then if needed with. If Luca stops nursing finish him off with a bottle. But hoping he nurses more with the sns. That is on one breast. Then pump the nursed breast 5 minutes, and the other breast 20-30 minutes till the milk slows. She also suggested malt beer.

I just pumped now and in addition to the 30 he drank I pumped 40 which means he is getting more off the boob and is a sign we can at least over time cut back formula, and if possible get him fully on the boob. I have only ever pumped that much maybe 1 or 2, so on the first run that is a great sign.

So it was a big step today and she will be back friday.

She also checked me and I got the all clear to take baths again yeah!!!!!

Oh andshe thinks Luca is having a reaction to the humana so suggested a formula switch may be more productive then the ar formula.


She said his latch is fine and taught me how to get him on the breast, no one ever showed me that.

Overall it went well and I am excited that if nothing else we can get him more breast milk and less formula all while nursing. And I still really hope we can get him off the sns and just on the boob. SHe said pumping every 2 hours does no good as it stresses me which in turn affects milk production. With him getting more breast milk and less formula his meal times will regulate out and become shorter more like breat milk feeds albeit a bit longer from the formula but not the full 4 hours and pumping with each feed will follow his transition milkwise.
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Re: Please help my baby wont breast feed and midwife says to give up :(

Oh and Domperidone is not readily availible here it is a precsription anti nausua medication ???
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Sounds great! So glad you have someone to support you there! Keep it up! You can do this
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Old 02-01-2011, 10:32 AM   #75
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Oh and Domperidone is not readily availible here it is a precsription anti nausua medication ???
In Canada, it is prescription and mainly used for gastrointestinal issues. In particular, it helps food move faster through the digestive tract. However, it is prescribed 'off-label' to increase breastmilk production. It was found that it increases prolactin levels, helping with let-down as well.

I went to see Dr. Jack Newman, a local bfing specialist, multiple times, and he prescribed it for me for 6 months. http://www.nbci.ca/index.php?option=...tion&Itemid=17
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Re: Please help my baby wont breast feed and midwife says to give up :(

You can get Dom from www.inhousepharmacy.com, but you may not need it as it looks like you are on the right track!
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Yay! That sounds like a real breakthrough.
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Re: Please help my baby wont breast feed and midwife says to give up :(

Well he ended up in the hospital for a few days with the flu and they gave him faster nipples so now he is rejecting the breast again ugh.
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Keep trying! I have a friend whose baby at a few weeks old was hospitalized for jaundice and wouldn't nurse from mom anymore...then a couple weeks later he went back "on the boob" as she says. Just stay strong mama! Breastfeeding isn't easy, but the more you can do, the more grateful your babe will be My DD is 5 months old now and it's been a rocky road for us, too. Don't let guilt stress you out either...just do the best you can & we're here for ya!
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Re: UPDATED- Please help my baby wont breast feed and midwife says to give up :(

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Well things have improved, he nurses now fine without a sns or nipple shield.

We had gone to full breastfeeding, but again his weight slowed and he has been throwingf its at the breast and being hungry even after feeds.

The fenugreek had helped, as well as bottle elimination, and morse suckling, I went to boost my fenugreek and realized the German pills I had were not anywhere near the US equivalent and the doage was way too low. SO I am hopeful with taking more it will help, I was not even yet to the minimum recommended doasge. I am going to start with 3.6 grams a day (per kellymom) and work up if needed.

A really super mom here ordered me fenu greek from the us. On the German economy I would have to take minimum 16 pills a day to get that 3.5 minimum and it would cost me 110 dollars a month. The Us bottles, 7 months worth only cost 35 USD.- Can you believe that.

So we went back to the midwife saying to give a daily bottle, doctor saying not to. I did a middle ground and put him on the breast over and over until he got to the point where that justw as not a option, if he got hysterical which was not often I gave him a bottle. On a bad day that was maybe 180ml forumla a day.

But I very much still want to eliminate it fully. I no longer take formula with us unless we are going on long trip. But I want to eliminate that even. I am happy that it is cut way back and there are days where we need none, buT I want to get past that.

I think we have come a long way from a baby who was initially fully formula fed and I am hopeful that since even in small doses the fenufgreek helped, that at a proper dosage we can get passed this final hurdle.

I am hoping if the fenugreek helps that I can do some extra pumping. I only have an electric pump another month and a half, so I would like to build a freezer stash so that if for any reason he needs a bottle, I have breast milk on hand and can keep the formula out of the house. I have a hand pump so hopefully that will be doable once the elctric pump is gone.

I fully intend to nurse him 12 months, and am considering 24 months which is now reccomended by WHO.

Thank you all so much for your help this far, if you have any more advice about this last hurdle or pumping for the freezer please do share. And I sure hope to one day post that the formula is gone for good.

BUt for a little boy who could not even latch he has come a long way. I am proud of us both for making it this far-
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