Nourishing Traditions Support Thread week ending April 10th.......

[lisaeriksen]

Originally Posted by 3 ladybugs Those of you that have watched the video, What would you say to your mom if you were in my shoes? My step father has had a heart attack, has a cutaneous form of lymphoma (VERY slow growing, nothing like mine), and had a stroke. He is around 51 years of age (unsure of exactly how old but he is younger then mom). They told him when he had his stroke that it was caused by high cholesterol. I am going to try to find out from my mom what his level was when he had the stroke. He is obviously on a statin because of this. My mom is scared to have him off of the statin because of this. However after watching the video I don't know what to say to her. So if you were in my shoes what would you tell her? I am looking for opinions, I know no one here is a medical doctor so I am going to take what is said here with that in mind. Thank you!

Would she be willing to watch the video?

I find that people who are hesitant about this way of life/eating do well with baby steps. Changing a little bit at a time instead of getting completely overwhelmed (and scared of the consequences of doing so). However with your step dads health on the line I'm sure your mom will be hesitant to change anything without doctors orders! I would try to get her to watch at least parts of the video and start doing some research herself. That way she is informed before making changes.

[angely_06]

I'm learning so much here on ds.
I hadn't heard of this but so glad I opened this thread.
I checked out the site you linked:
"Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula. Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent (based on body weight) of at least five birth control pills per day."

Wow. I bf dd and still bf ds 20 mo. and I can see a difference between my children and my brother's kids who were eff and they had soy formula for a while when they were a few mo. old. They eat mostly processed foods. I make an effort to make home cooked meals, include meats eggs and cheese as well as veggies, and fruits for snacks.
After reading this, it was an eyeopener. I'm definitely going to make changes to our eating habits. I always use evoo, but only sometimes buy organic. I've noticed some fruits and veggies at the grocery store have that waxy feel.

It might be a myth, but is raw milk hard to digest when you make the switch?
I know I grew up on that stuff, but up untill i was 3, before we moved into the city.
I've been wanting to buy some, but haven't found a local farm/store where i can find some.

[syfitz]

Thank you I am going to talk to him about weaning and see what he thinks. I spent the better part of the night reading about it. It isn't a drug that should have a withdrawal period, but some people seem to report worsening muscle pain and weakness (which he already has because of this poison!) before it starts to get better after stopping cold turkey. My dad is pretty tough and will likely choose cold turkey anyway now that he knows the truth about this stuff. It doesn't seem to be a dangerous thing to do, just maybe unpleasant.
Even worse than the physical effects of this stuff was the psychological. He has always been really active, strong, and hardworking. When they started taking their toll you could see how sad he had become about his physical state. All of his complaints were met with a "that is just part of aging" response from his doctor. He's been so depressed about that. It makes me so mad!
I'm sorry you had such an experience! I worked in a psych hospital for several years and saw how horrible the effects of stopping antidepressants could be. I can't tell you how many times we had patients re-admitted worse off than when they came in the first time because of stopping those drugs cold turkey.

Originally Posted by 3 ladybugs I hope your dad is able to recover soon. I do want to caution you to have your dad go off of lipitor cold turkey. Some drugs can cause a rebound effect if you go off them too fast. TMI alert! 14 years ago I was in an abusive relationship and the guy dropped me off at a hospital and told me that if I didn't tell them I was suicidal (I wasn't by any measure) then I would be sleeping in the streets that night. So I went in and told them that and they admitted me. Well when I got out (and was still with the guy) I couldn't afford the medication that they put me on. So I had a rebound effect and a month later I was in the hospital suffering from depression! (This is from Prozac.) So please be careful when getting off of any long term medication. You really should wean off of it slowly. I was going to tell my grandmother to reduce by 3/4 for a week, then 1/2 for a week, then 1/4 for a week then off. I know it takes a long time but it really is the safest. Yum! That looks good! Thanks for sharing!

[nighty-night mama]

Another great video link. This power point with the oiling of america is the major speech she gives at local conferences across the country. A great way to introduce people to what Nourishing traditions really is!

http://www.youtube.com/user/derickcmoore

[nighty-night mama]

by the way these are only small samples, I can not find the whole speech anywhere, unless you buy it from the the publishers.

[blackbirdmama*3]

Hi! I've been semi-lurking this thread for a couple of weeks now and am wondering if anyone follows this with food allergies. My ds2 has allergies to beef/pork and dairy. I was seriously on the verge of purchasing 1/4 of a grassfed beef and had been buying raw milk when we found out. We are now using free range turkey and coconut milk. I have used coconut oil for a while now and use that in place of butter for him. The rest of us use butter or coconut oil. I am looking for some help on how to follow this way of eating with our restrictions. I did find a way to soak my grains using either coconut milk/water and lemon juice or vinegar from the nourishing gourmet site.

I also found a brand of coconut milk that makes coconut milk kefir and am going to ask my local health food store to order some this weekend.

[nighty-night mama]

Originally Posted by blackbirdmama*3 Hi! I've been semi-lurking this thread for a couple of weeks now and am wondering if anyone follows this with food allergies. My ds2 has allergies to beef/pork and dairy. I was seriously on the verge of purchasing 1/4 of a grassfed beef and had been buying raw milk when we found out. We are now using free range turkey and coconut milk. I have used coconut oil for a while now and use that in place of butter for him. The rest of us use butter or coconut oil. I am looking for some help on how to follow this way of eating with our restrictions. I did find a way to soak my grains using either coconut milk/water and lemon juice or vinegar from the nourishing gourmet site. I also found a brand of coconut milk that makes coconut milk kefir and am going to ask my local health food store to order some this weekend.

The great thing about nourishing your body is that a variety of food can do that. People all over the world thrived differently. Some had dairy and bread, others had fish and veggies, and other (like Eskimos) lived off of seal fat and meat. Though many of us are stuck in the american diet of grains, fruit, dairy,and meat, all of those are together isn't always needed. I would look into cod liver oil for you little guy, it will help provide some of the missing vitamins he would get from cow's milk. I would also do a bit more research. There are many people who were told they were dairy intolerant, and can and do thrive off of raw milk and raw cheese.

[blackbirdmama*3]

Originally Posted by nighty-night mama The great thing about nourishing your body is that a variety of food can do that. People all over the world thrived differently. Some had dairy and bread, others had fish and veggies, and other (like Eskimos) lived off of seal fat and meat. Though many of us are stuck in the american diet of grains, fruit, dairy,and meat, all of those are together isn't always needed. I would look into cod liver oil for you little guy, it will help provide some of the missing vitamins he would get from cow's milk. I would also do a bit more research. There are many people who were told they were dairy intolerant, and can and do thrive off of raw milk and raw cheese.

Thanks for the insight. I will definitely look into the cod liver oil for him. He actually gets a rash when he ingests dairy so I am still leary of even doing raw. Our allergist did tell us we would get to a point where we will try dairy again and it is very likely he will be able to handle it well in the future.

I feel so blessed that I live where I can get raw milk for $3.50 a gallon, farm fresh eggs from hens that I actually see walking around when I go to pick them up and numerous sources for grassfed beef and free range poultry. My dh and I have decided to do 1 meal for the whole family based on my ds2's restrictions for the most part. For instance, we almost always eat turkey in meals but tonight I made turkey burgers for him and grassfed beef burgers for us. We have completely done away with pork though because we haven't found a source we trust.

I hope it's ok if I follow this thread and comment when I am able to.


ETA: We don't only eat turkey lol! I realized thats how my post sounded, but wanted to clarify when we eat meat it is not usually beef but in this instance we did because it was burgers and very easy to keep separate.

[photocat]

One interesting thing about food allergies in the reading I have done, is the high incidence of undiagnosed/silent celiac/gluten/wheat intolerance in the general population.
Celiac/gluten/wheat intolerance can lead to suspected food allergies because of what happens to the villi lining the small intestine with gluten damage. The villi are where/how we absorb nutrients, but with gluten problems, the villi can often be totally destroyed/flattened so they don't work.

With damaged villi, nutrients in the body can be missing or at low levels and other sensitivities to different foods can show up. Apparently parts of the villi are responsible for digesting milk proteins, so if they are damaged, that individual will have problems with dairy because they can't digest it properly. But once the villi are healed, they may be able to tolerate it, as well as slowly re-introduce other foods they have been sensitive to.

I've been wading through a thread on another board/forum all about this and it makes interesting reading, not sure If I'm allowed to link a thread from a different place here, but I'm sure they'll let me know and take it down if it's not allowed : Gluten free


ETA Oops, just realised you need to be logged on to that sight to read threads, sorry. It's just about people's individual experiences with wheat/gluten/celiac, so a lot of weird symptoms you'd never link to it are what some people experience.


It seems because the symptoms can be so varied and sometimes vague, certainly not always the classic celiac symptoms, that people can go undiagnosed for years, even their whole life I would imagine.

Sorry for the novel, ladies

I don't know anyone personally on any cholesterol lowering drugs, I THINK here in Aus the first thing they do if your chol' is high is prescribe the diet: my dh's was not way high, but higher than last time, so they told him only 2 eggs a week, margarine not butter - over my dead body I told my dh at this one, he laughed low fat milk, can't remember what else. Jennifer, would your mum watch the video?

About weaning from drugs, that's probably what I'd do, just because I know some things build up in your blood and I'm sure the Dr would be against stopping so probably no help in the weaning advice dept. I'd take it slowly.

[3 ladybugs]

lisaeriksen - Mom said she was thinking of watching the video tonight after I got done talking to her on Skype. I will find out tomorrow morning if she actually did or not. It is very scary for her to try to convince her VERY picky DH to eat foods that the doctors say nearly killed him. I forgot to ask her tonight what his levels were at the stroke.

angely_06 - Welcome! It is scary to hear about soy formula. I heard it in a presentation I went to and nearly fell over. I am just so thankful that none of my children (DD that passed lived to be 5 months of age) needed soy based formula. They have all done well on cows milk kind (sadly everyone has needed formula while in the NICU).

I haven't had any issues with switching my family to raw milk. I like you had it when I was a child (till about age 7 for me) and 3 weeks ago we went to it. DS seems to be doing much better with his BM's and everything now. I think he may have been starting to become lactose intolerant on "organic" milk.

Be careful where you get your produce. I went to a normal grocery store to get a rutabegga one day and walked away from them when I saw them. I then proceeded to call my father (who was in produce for about 15-20 years) and ask him if a rutabegga is suppose to look like a badly over glazed donut. He said no. I then went to Whole Foods and theirs looked completely different and actually appetizing.

syfitz - I hope your dad doesn't have any bad side effects from stopping them. Please let me know how it goes. I have my grandmother hopefully watching the video so she may want to do the same soon too. I get so upset when doctors just say "well you are getting older". My grandfather died because a doctor didn't take the time with him and piece together the fact that he had pancreatic cancer even though he had all the symptoms. It is just maddening! However I am a thorn in all of my doctors sides because I demand things from them all the time.

I lived and learned about the rebound effect. I have been off of any antidepressants now for about 11 years. I have lost 3 children, had a miscarriage and had cancer. If I truly had depression, I think it would have came out sometime in the last 5 years.

nighty-night mama - Thanks for the link. I will check it out when I have a chance.

Originally Posted by nighty-night mama by the way these are only small samples, I can not find the whole speech anywhere, unless you buy it from the the publishers.

- Is that the video that looks the same as the NT book?

blackbirdmama*3 - Welcome! I hope your son gets some of his allergies taken away soon! Wow! That is a great price for raw milk! Don't worry about posting all the time on here. I do, but that is only because I am on here all the time anyway.

AFM - Finished planting the garden tonight. Only things left are Tomato plants, pepper plants, some potatoes (didn't get enough) and herbs. Still working on figuring a good way to make my sourdough bread. Tried a different way today but will eat it tomorrow with dinner.