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Old 06-17-2006, 08:59 AM   #11
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I'd exhaust all supplements before meds. My nephew has adhd and mil (his guardian) was very quick to medicate him. She has to give him a piece of chocolate to coat his stomach before the med or he pukes. Also, his appetite is slim to none and he's a stick of a child...like, you could probably see & count every bone in his body. She's got him off the med for the summer and shockingly, the child eats! He's got such a healthy appetite...and I honestly don't see that much change in his behavior...So yeah...that long & rambly post to say I'd try everything naturally before medicating. And as far as the original question, mil saw his ped who referred them to a social worker/counselor/therapist. I know that's not much help, but... Oh, also want to add that I do believe nephew has adhd, i think mil was just in a hurry for a label so she could medicate and not have to actually do anything with him - when i think the real problem/solution would be in parenting (in my nephew/mil's case, not everyone's).

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Old 06-17-2006, 06:59 PM   #12
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Ok sticking my neck out here. I have ADHD, was diagnosed as an Adult. I started meds and in the 9 months I was on meds, I got promoted 5 times. Then I got PG, LOL. But the meds really helped me. DS#1 has ADHD. I saw myself in him, talked to my ped about it and he agreed at 3 yo, Now I know 3 yo too young, but it runs in my family, dad, sister, her 4 kids, me, GWIM? So I waited, did diet changes, nothing, supplements nothing. Finally after switching daycares, I took him to my psychatrist, who specializes in ADHD in adults and children. After a few rough starts on meds, we finally found one that worked for him.

It was the best thing I could have done for him. He has REALLY blossomed and is sure of himself. Basically all I am saying is don't discount meds as they can help.
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Old 06-19-2006, 01:14 AM   #13
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Another mom who tried the "natural" remedies with no success... when there is neurological damage, I am not sure much helps. Finally, I put my DD on a weak stimulant, and she can finally function!! Now, my child is LD, mild PDD, central auditory processing disorder, apraxya... With the meds, she has made progress in all areas!
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Old 06-19-2006, 04:32 AM   #14
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My son is ADHD with ODD (at least that's the diagnosis right now) He is taking Concerta. But just like everything else the effects are not lasting as long, if they even take effect at all..so now we move on to something else. AND we get phone calls from the teacher everyday...to the point where he's not going back to school this year, expect for his class trip (that I'm going on with him) and the last day to get his certificate for the year. He's SOOO agressive...I'm half scared of him sometimes.

I tried to go no meds, but when I had a breakdown in the doc's office, I gave in...and there are days that I'm glad I did..but others when I doubt my decision..and then there are days when I just don't even want to look at him.

To get him diagnosed, we went to the family doc..who at first sent us to Child and Adolesent Services at the hospital..the RN there tried to teach us 123 Magic..yeah.....USELESS!! SO then we went to see a Child Neuologist..who spent 4 hours talking to me and dh...and did some measurements of ds, got him to show her some basic motor skills and diagnosed him...that's it...then she adjusted his dosage of Ritalin. So 3 months later I called her to get some info for the school and told her what was going on, she told me to get him off the meds..who prescribed that dosage anyway?? SHE DID!!! She also tried to diagnose him Bi-POlar over the phone!! We're not going back to see her.

So...then we saw a Psyciatrist..who put him on the Concerta. Now I'm fighting to get him in the IWK Mental Health Clinic (for kids..the best in NS) but the family doc says he can't refer me..a psyciatrist has to...the psyciatrist says my family doc can...I'm calling the IWK today to find out can and can't...then I'm plunking my a$$ in that person's office until I get a referral!

Sorry..I hijacked your thread I get talking about this and I get sooo mad...but to answer your question..I'd take your dc to your ped or family doctor and go from there.

It can be soo frustrating dealing with a child like my ds..but then at the same time..when he's in a good mood..he's the most loving child I've ever known.
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Old 06-19-2006, 05:00 AM   #15
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We started taking dd1 to the pedi at around age 5. This girl is just out of control ALL the time. I have been listening to her scream and carry on and be nasty for years...all I et is "It's a phase" well, it's a pretty long phase. Finally I started doing some research on my own, and it became quite clear that she more than likely has Sensory Integration Dysfuntion. Well, I went to the pedi armed with all sorts of info, and he said, oh yeah, I see one kid who has that. Take her to a specialist. There's a 3 year wait to get in to him!!!! Well, on the bright side, our pedi did do an evaluation test, and she was diagnosed with SID, but unfortunatly we have been unable to find ANYONE, including the "naturopaths" around here, that will do anything besides OT COMBINED with meds. I do NOT want to medicate her, but I'm at the end of my rope.

Keep one thing in mind with the school evaluations...it is against the law for the shcool to diagnose your kid with anything. They're teachers, not doctors. We have about 40% of the kids in our local school district diagnosed with ADD or ADHD by the school. The school then calls the doctors and tells their findings, and the docs call in rx's for the parents. That is SO frustrating and SAD to me....

Dietary changes can be a HUGE help with any type of hormonal/chemical thing. We have found that dd1 is MUCH easier to handle when she is on a strict "diet", but it's really hard to follow when she is out with grandma or a friend. My mother, in particular, doesn't seem to udnerstand what a small quantity of food dye does to the girl. And she feels so bad for her that she can't eat what she wants

Regardless of what the problem is, it's really hard to deal with these things. Hope you find something that works for you.
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My son's Ped did the diagnosis. She sent paper work to home and school to be filled out and decided based on those reports. My son was put as mild ADD and on medication. To be honest though, as soon as the school thought he was on med's all problems seemed to stop. We never gave him the meds.

Dr. Sears has a book on ADHD. It's really quite good.
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For you ladies who have tried the natural way:

did you see a specialist who tested your child through blood and hair tests to find out exactly what you and your child need? I just say this as you can take a million suppliments and never get the right comination. We had hair tests done on both girls, saw what they had excess/deficiency of and it was scientific and not guessing as we would have ended up doing on our own. We also had blood test work done as well.

I hope I haven't upset anybody here, it's not my intention. I am in the same exact boat with my older girl having Asperger's (high functioning autisim) and other learning problems with Claire. Plus, my DH has ADHD (drives me bonkers!!!) I'm just saying that if you are able to get a hair test done for them, checking their heavy metal output and minerals, that would tell you a TON about what they are missing. If not thing else, it will help straighten other aspects of their health.
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My son is ADHD with ODD (at least that's the diagnosis right now) He is taking Concerta. But just like everything else the effects are not lasting as long, if they even take effect at all..so now we move on to something else. AND we get phone calls from the teacher everyday...to the point where he's not going back to school this year, expect for his class trip (that I'm going on with him) and the last day to get his certificate for the year. He's SOOO agressive...I'm half scared of him sometimes.

I tried to go no meds, but when I had a breakdown in the doc's office, I gave in...and there are days that I'm glad I did..but others when I doubt my decision..and then there are days when I just don't even want to look at him.

To get him diagnosed, we went to the family doc..who at first sent us to Child and Adolesent Services at the hospital..the RN there tried to teach us 123 Magic..yeah.....USELESS!! SO then we went to see a Child Neuologist..who spent 4 hours talking to me and dh...and did some measurements of ds, got him to show her some basic motor skills and diagnosed him...that's it...then she adjusted his dosage of Ritalin. So 3 months later I called her to get some info for the school and told her what was going on, she told me to get him off the meds..who prescribed that dosage anyway?? SHE DID!!! She also tried to diagnose him Bi-POlar over the phone!! We're not going back to see her.

So...then we saw a Psyciatrist..who put him on the Concerta. Now I'm fighting to get him in the IWK Mental Health Clinic (for kids..the best in NS) but the family doc says he can't refer me..a psyciatrist has to...the psyciatrist says my family doc can...I'm calling the IWK today to find out can and can't...then I'm plunking my a$$ in that person's office until I get a referral!

Sorry..I hijacked your thread I get talking about this and I get sooo mad...but to answer your question..I'd take your dc to your ped or family doctor and go from there.

It can be soo frustrating dealing with a child like my ds..but then at the same time..when he's in a good mood..he's the most loving child I've ever known.
I agree with this. Except for a few very minor changes, this is mylife with my oldest 2 kids except that Concerta is definitely working with both of them. We had to increase the doages untilt hey worked but now they last from 6 am until 6 -8 pm. Right before we started the meds we were ready to send our oldest to a residential treatment program bc it was so bd. I am glad we held on bc the first day on the meds all that loving nature that we rarely saw, came out and now he has friends and can play with kids!!!! THis was his prayer every night for a long time. I thank God that we finally tried meds again and that they worked this time.
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I agree with this. Except for a few very minor changes, this is mylife with my oldest 2 kids except that Concerta is definitely working with both of them. We had to increase the doages untilt hey worked but now they last from 6 am until 6 -8 pm. Right before we started the meds we were ready to send our oldest to a residential treatment program bc it was so bd. I am glad we held on bc the first day on the meds all that loving nature that we rarely saw, came out and now he has friends and can play with kids!!!! THis was his prayer every night for a long time. I thank God that we finally tried meds again and that they worked this time.
What dosage is your dc on? Nicholas just started four months ago and he's taking the lowest dose (27mg). I just got off the phone with our mental health nurse and she booked him with the Pscyciatrist again..they want to up his meds. I also found out from the IWK that the nurse can refer Nicholas to them, so I told her that I know that...she wants me to give the local pscyciatrist another shot...and then if I'm not happy, she'll give me the referal. Little do they know, I'm NOT leaving that office next week until I have it in my hand! My son is VERY agressive and that scares me..I want to know what is going on inside his little head and then I can treat him properly!
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Ugh, Sabrina, in some ways, your story is like mine. Over the 6 years since DS was first diagnosed, we have been to:

Psychologist #1, part of same practice as ped., who did Connors, but left before giving us a recommendation.

Psychologist #2, part of school core eval, who confirmed positive diagnosis of ADHD.

Ped, who started on Ritalin

A year and a half of seeing some improvement but not enough, trying different forms of longer acting doses & supplemental doses

Psychiatrist #1, who told me he was over-anxious and prescribed Zoloft (we never took it -- I was too scared of the depression risk).

Psychiatrist #2, who played games in her office with him for 3 months, and told us that we had things "about as good as we were going to."

Psychologist #3, expert in neurofeedback, who started us on weekly, then twice a week, then 3x a week sessions. Helped some, but not enough. Cut back on the Ritalin when it was working, but then ran into problems again.

Psychiatrist #4, whom I asked to check and rule out bipolar disorder because I was concerned about mood swings (probably just normal end-of-day reaction to meds wearing off).

Psychologist #4, an expert in testing, who did a complete battery of tests and gave us (FINALLY!) some helpful recommendations.

Psychologist #5, whom we still see once a week privately and once a week for social skills class, who has been some significant help in dealing with social and emotional issues.

Psychiatrist #4, who started us with Adderall, got the dosage right for us, and then prescribed Tenex to help with impulsivity -- this kept him from being kicked out of his school, and got us really back on track.

You gotta keep at it till you get what's right for you -- it is SO worth the effort!!
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