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Old 11-17-2011, 08:00 AM   #51
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correct and Christ clarifies the circumcision as a spiritual circumcision (stripping/cutting away of your old life) not a physical one.
If you're Christian, the new testament is pretty clear that this is now unessecary because the blood that had to be spilled by the newborn baby in the old testament as a blood offering was paid by Jesus..... I have 3 circd sons, against my better judgement, and it was a fight with dh the whole time. He knows now that it will NOT happen again if we have another boy. I feel like I should've fought harder . Insurance companies across the US are refusing to pay for it because it is an unnecessary procedure.... If you are still on the fence about it, maybe you can sit him down and explain your reasons. There is NO biblical reason for a christian to be circd.... In fact it's the opposite.

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Old 11-17-2011, 08:13 AM   #52
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Disclaimer - please, no anti-circ rhetoric. We have made an educated decision for our family, to circumcise our sons based on religious beliefs. I know not everyone agrees with it, and that is fine. And I open to ALL opinions, but I am not open to having someone tell me that I am mutilating my child, or anything along those lines. Thank you for respecting my disclaimer .

DS3 was not circ'd at birth. Long story short, we delivered all our children at the same hospital, and they had changed their policies right before DS3 was born. We were not allowed to be with him during the circ, and we simply weren't comfortable with that. So, we chose not to have the circ done at the hospital.

The original plan was to have it done shortly after birth, either by our pediatrician or a urologist. Unfortunately, it never happened... DS3 has GERD and we've spent the past 3.5 months trying to get that under control. The circ issue has taken a backseat. But now DH is really pushing to have it done, and I'm worried about it. Our other two boys were circ'd a few days after birth. DS3 is almost 4 months old, and I'm just concerned that we've waited too long. I'm worried it will hurt more, and have a longer healing time.

Has anyone circ'd a baby this age, or older? Are there any drawbacks (besides the obvious "no circ" reasons)?
My first son is circ & had lots of issues with it. My second son was preemie and too small to be circ & so the pedi told us we would have to do at least wait 1 mon maybe longer. When i asked what the risks were she said:

1. it will be extremely painful (procedure & after care)
2. higher risk of infection as the newborn "protective cleaning agents" are now gone
3. there is a 50/50 split on the medical benefits of getting circ and not getting circ
4. your insurance might not cover it-since it wasn't done at birth & some insurances aren't covering it as they see it as a cosmetic surgery
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4. your insurance might not cover it-since it wasn't done at birth & some insurances aren't covering it as they see it as a cosmetic surgery
This is definitely true for my insurance. They cover circ 100%, but only if it is performed in the first 30 days of life.
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MavericksMama - that was fascinating, thanks for sharing! When first I heard someone mention foreskin restoration, I thought it was some expensive, painful plastic surgery.
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This is definitely true for my insurance. They cover circ 100%, but only if it is performed in the first 30 days of life.

This is something to consider as well. Our will cover it after the 30 days but ONLY if there is a medical need for it (not for personal/religious reasons) and several policies that I work with (I work for an insurance company) are worded that way.


I recently came to the decision that we will not be circ'ing our baby due in Feb (DS is circ'd). But as far as doing that sort of procedure on an infant I also had to make a similar choice with DS.

DS has a skin tag (really it is a mutated salivary gland) in his cheek. It is big enough to where it could be in the way of chewing but he seems to have figured out chewing just fine. He used to suck on it but doesn't anymore and it hasn't really grown. I have talked with the specialist twice about it, once at 6 months and once at 2 years. He said while he could remove it now, he would have to be put under and would not understand the pain/soreness when he comes to. We decided not to do it at 6 months because I didn't want to ruin the nursing relationship I fought so hard to have and general anesthesia (while awesome to have in an emergency situation) scares the crap out of me for purely cosmetic procedures. The specialist agreed with our decision and even added, yes the risks outweigh the benefits in this situation (but he was careful not to say that before we made our decision, he was very good and presenting all the facts for us to decide). When I went back the second time, I was concerned because at every check up, the skin tag gets commented on and I needed some reassurance that we were doing the right thing waiting. He explained that even at 2years old, he would still have to be put under so all the same stuff applies and we agreed since it isn't getting bigger and doesn't really bother him to just leave it alone until he is older and can have the procedure done without going under. He will have pain/soreness no matter what but at least this way he will understand and can better cope with it.


The point of all this is, since circumcision isn't really a life or death procedure, but rather a cosmetic one, the same principles could apply as what I applied with the skin tag surgery. Ideally a circumcision is best performed around the 8th day of life (there was a reason why God chose that day for it) and it has to do with their ability to heal quicker (their cell count is higher right then if I recall correctly). I also agree that for Christians it is no longer required and that the circumcision that doctors perform is different than the original Jewish way of doing it (which wouldn't be covered by insurance unless the Mohel (sp?) is also a doctor).
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MavericksMama - that was fascinating, thanks for sharing! When first I heard someone mention foreskin restoration, I thought it was some expensive, painful plastic surgery.

Me too, I can't wait to tell hubby tonight about this. This may be TMI but it could be he unknowingly did some of this stuff since in my research of circumcision I came across some pretty graphic sites (which there was a little warning for, but my preggoy brain was thinking "graphic" as in a drawing representation, not basically a little ****o ) that talked about how circ'd penises (or would it be "peni" ?? lol) can actually cause a woman pain during sex and the shaft was so tight skinned in both the drawings and the actual picture whereas DH is circ'd but he has some loose skin near the head, just not a lot. We have struggled with painful sex all of our marriage and I know part of it is my body (low hormones, vaginal dryness, psychological etc.) but this could be part of it too. After we had DS, it got better, but recently it has gotten to be like a knife stabbing me and I think it the effect of like pulling an arrowhead out of a wound. again sorry if that was TMI.
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This is something to consider as well. Our will cover it after the 30 days but ONLY if there is a medical need for it (not for personal/religious reasons) and several policies that I work with (I work for an insurance company) are worded that way.


The point of all this is, since circumcision isn't really a life or death procedure, but rather a cosmetic one, the same principles could apply as what I applied with the skin tag surgery. Ideally a circumcision is best performed around the 8th day of life (there was a reason why God chose that day for it) and it has to do with their ability to heal quicker (their cell count is higher right then if I recall correctly). I also agree that for Christians it is no longer required and that the circumcision that doctors perform is different than the original Jewish way of doing it (which wouldn't be covered by insurance unless the Mohel (sp?) is also a doctor).
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Foreskin restoration should NEVER hurt. If it hurts, you are doing something wrong, and need to stop. The biggest learning curve with restoration, is getting the product on fast enough to not get an erection, lol. That has been my husband's only problem, having to handle himself while applying the Tugger. The more every day it gets though, the easier it is to just slip on without a second thought. In a matter of months, you will notice more slack skin. To fully restore, it takes 2-3 years. Really young men can do it in 18 months. Basically, what you are doing, is stretching the skin, just as if a person is using balloon inflation for skin expansion for a surgery. As you pull the skin taut, the skin generates new cells to fill the gap. Easy as that!

I see you are expecting a boy. For just $2 postage fee and proof of pregnancy (just an appt slip is fine), TLC Tugger will send your husband a free Your Skin cone. If your husband has just a little slack skin (meaning if he was at least semi-loosely circumcised), he can try this out right away. Basically, he rolls his skin over his glans, then places this cone on to retain the skin there. It just stays in place due to the dynamics of the product and the male anatomy. The purpose of this....Your husband wears this throughout the day for a few days, taking it off to use the restroom, shower, but leaving it on otherwise. He will notice that each time he takes it off, his glans feels more and more sensitive. The first time my husband experienced this (with the Tugger, not the cone alone, but same idea), it literally sent chills down his spine.

I'll send you the link to the free cone. Not sure if it'd be labeled as spam on here. Also, just browse the TLC website, they have lots of great information, including Ron's personal pictures and videos of his restoration. Keeping in mind, he's probably quite a bit older than your husband, so his took a decent amount of time to complete. (42 months for him as a middle aged man, I believe).
I'm so sorry, that was a typo. I meant it does NOT hurt.
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Foreskin restoration should NEVER hurt. If it hurts, you are doing something wrong, and need to stop. The biggest learning curve with restoration, is getting the product on fast enough to not get an erection, lol. That has been my husband's only problem, having to handle himself while applying the Tugger. The more every day it gets though, the easier it is to just slip on without a second thought. In a matter of months, you will notice more slack skin. To fully restore, it takes 2-3 years. Really young men can do it in 18 months. Basically, what you are doing, is stretching the skin, just as if a person is using balloon inflation for skin expansion for a surgery. As you pull the skin taut, the skin generates new cells to fill the gap. Easy as that!

I see you are expecting a boy. For just $2 postage fee and proof of pregnancy (just an appt slip is fine), TLC Tugger will send your husband a free Your Skin cone. If your husband has just a little slack skin (meaning if he was at least semi-loosely circumcised), he can try this out right away. Basically, he rolls his skin over his glans, then places this cone on to retain the skin there. It just stays in place due to the dynamics of the product and the male anatomy. The purpose of this....Your husband wears this throughout the day for a few days, taking it off to use the restroom, shower, but leaving it on otherwise. He will notice that each time he takes it off, his glans feels more and more sensitive. The first time my husband experienced this (with the Tugger, not the cone alone, but same idea), it literally sent chills down his spine.

I'll send you the link to the free cone. Not sure if it'd be labeled as spam on here. Also, just browse the TLC website, they have lots of great information, including Ron's personal pictures and videos of his restoration. Keeping in mind, he's probably quite a bit older than your husband, so his took a decent amount of time to complete. (42 months for him as a middle aged man, I believe).
can you send to me too!?
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