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Old 03-14-2012, 07:18 AM   #11
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i know this isn't what you posted for, but please give what I'm saying a chance.

Please don't circumcise your babies. No medical organization in the world recommends circumcision. There is no health benefit. Annually, 200 babies die from circumcision complications such as blood loss, hemorrhaging, sepsis, MRSA etc. Approximately 1/3 of all circumcisions are botched to some degree, and about 4% of all babies circumcised will need post operative treatment and surgery due to complications (this is about 48,000 babies per year.)

Circumcision interferes with breastfeeding. Out of 100 boys circumcised, approximately 75 will not readily breastfeed. Babies are born with a breast crawl reflex, circumcision interferes with that. Out of 100 boys, 3 will develop phimosis, 31 will develop metal ulcers, 55 will have some form of adverse reaction to the surgery, and 8 will suffer infection at the surgical site.

Circumcision damages sex for both men and women. Circumcising a man removes the foreskin, which is a prepuce organ. It has millions of nerve endings. The prepuce organ in the female is the clitoral hood and in the womb, they are formed from the exact same tissue. Removing the foreskin literally is like removing the clitoral hood. Circumcision also hurts women because circumcised men have sex in a completely different manner than intact men. Check out www.sexasnatureintendedit.com to see visual images of these differences. Definitely not work or child safe, graphic sexual images. My DH is intact, and from having done things with circumcised men, I can tell you there really IS a world of a difference when it comes to pleasure and that is obvious in their reactions to stimulation. The intact penis isn't dirty either as long as the man takes a shower, which he should be doing whether he is intact or not.

The head of the penis is not fully developed at birth. the foreskin is actually fused to the head via the synachia. This is to protect the still developing glans, and to prevent urine and fecal matter from entering the urethra and from having contact with the glans. When you remove the foreskin, you are exposing an underdeveloped glans and raising your child's risk of developing a UTI. Also, when you circumcise you create a wound. A wound that now gets to sit in dirty and moist diapers and that will burn intensely every time he pees.

Most doctors will not numb an infant for circumcision, and if they do, it's with local anesthetic. You STILL feel a circumcision with a local anesthetic, I promise. Not to mention that the local anesthetic in itself is painful.

Have you ever seen a circumcision performed? If not, you can see photos and a video here: http://www.cirp.org/​library/procedure/​plastibell/ and here: http://www.circumcisionvideos.com/

Considering the risks and the fact that there is no health benefit and that no medical organization in the world recommends circumcision, why circumcise? Also consider that circumcision is associated with sexual problems such as painful erections, decreased pleasure, keratinization of the glans, and even erectile dysfunction. It's not your penis, it should be up to your sons when they are adults if they want to do it. This isn't like a medically necessary procedure that you need to make a decision about.

For more info:

drmomma.org
4eric.org
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...html#resources
cirp.org
nocirc.org
savingsons.org

and check out this thread for like a million more links: http://diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119362

Please, please, please don't circumcise your babies.
Let's keep this on topic. You are assuming someone someone hasnt done their research because they havent made your choice. Mama is not asking for advice on whether she should or not. Thank you.

Pro circing is still extremely popular in the us and mamas should be able to get advice on here without being told their choice is wrong.

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Old 03-14-2012, 07:20 AM   #12
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To the op. We talked to our hospital and if we have a boy they will be doing a shot that works within moments. My dh will be allowed in the room when this is happening so long as he scrubs in as they out it.

Our son (if that's what we are having) will have the procedure done the next day.

I would call and talk to your hospital and see what their practices are
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:54 AM   #13
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Let's keep this on topic. You are assuming someone someone hasnt done their research because they havent made your choice. Mama is not asking for advice on whether she should or not. Thank you.

Pro circing is still extremely popular in the us and mamas should be able to get advice on here without being told their choice is wrong.
just because it's popular doesn't make it right or necessary. also, if you know that it is not necessary or recommended and that it damages sex and can seriously injure your child, how can you justify doing it anyway? it's just not ethical.

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just because it's popular doesn't make it right or necessary.
That is your opinion and not what this thread is about but thank you for your thoughts
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:00 AM   #15
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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

Where I work, no nerve block is used becuase it's even more painful and swells the penis up, making for a more difficult cut.

As a side note, check with your insurance company, because many of them won't cover cosmetic procedures such as circumcision anymore unless it's medically necessary.

As another side note - it's not just JSCV, but the professional, highly educated opinion of a dozen reputable medical organizations in the world (that have done years and years (and years) of research on this topic). I thought everyone knew that, but I wanted to throw that out there for clarification.

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Old 03-14-2012, 08:02 AM   #16
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I also have never heard of those injections actually working properly IF they are even given. I dunno about full on nerve blocks though. I can tell you that when I had a relatively small mole removed it took 15 shots all around it before I couldn't feel the cutting. There is also the pain afterwards to think about, while the shot may be done and work great they will definitely feel it later.

I saw that you said you don't want it done but DH does. Has he seen the Penn & Teller video about circumcision? that seems to help a lot of husbands see what their wife is saying. My DH was the same, very adamant until I finally just said no. Now he's restoring
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i know this isn't what you posted for, but please give what I'm saying a chance.

Please don't circumcise your babies. No medical organization in the world recommends circumcision. There is no health benefit. Annually, 200 babies die from circumcision complications such as blood loss, hemorrhaging, sepsis, MRSA etc. Approximately 1/3 of all circumcisions are botched to some degree, and about 4% of all babies circumcised will need post operative treatment and surgery due to complications (this is about 48,000 babies per year.)

Circumcision interferes with breastfeeding. Out of 100 boys circumcised, approximately 75 will not readily breastfeed. Babies are born with a breast crawl reflex, circumcision interferes with that. Out of 100 boys, 3 will develop phimosis, 31 will develop metal ulcers, 55 will have some form of adverse reaction to the surgery, and 8 will suffer infection at the surgical site.

Circumcision damages sex for both men and women. Circumcising a man removes the foreskin, which is a prepuce organ. It has millions of nerve endings. The prepuce organ in the female is the clitoral hood and in the womb, they are formed from the exact same tissue. Removing the foreskin literally is like removing the clitoral hood. Circumcision also hurts women because circumcised men have sex in a completely different manner than intact men. Check out www.sexasnatureintendedit.com to see visual images of these differences. Definitely not work or child safe, graphic sexual images. My DH is intact, and from having done things with circumcised men, I can tell you there really IS a world of a difference when it comes to pleasure and that is obvious in their reactions to stimulation. The intact penis isn't dirty either as long as the man takes a shower, which he should be doing whether he is intact or not.

The head of the penis is not fully developed at birth. the foreskin is actually fused to the head via the synachia. This is to protect the still developing glans, and to prevent urine and fecal matter from entering the urethra and from having contact with the glans. When you remove the foreskin, you are exposing an underdeveloped glans and raising your child's risk of developing a UTI. Also, when you circumcise you create a wound. A wound that now gets to sit in dirty and moist diapers and that will burn intensely every time he pees.

Most doctors will not numb an infant for circumcision, and if they do, it's with local anesthetic. You STILL feel a circumcision with a local anesthetic, I promise. Not to mention that the local anesthetic in itself is painful.

Have you ever seen a circumcision performed? If not, you can see photos and a video here: http://www.cirp.org/​library/procedure/​plastibell/ and here: http://www.circumcisionvideos.com/

Considering the risks and the fact that there is no health benefit and that no medical organization in the world recommends circumcision, why circumcise? Also consider that circumcision is associated with sexual problems such as painful erections, decreased pleasure, keratinization of the glans, and even erectile dysfunction. It's not your penis, it should be up to your sons when they are adults if they want to do it. This isn't like a medically necessary procedure that you need to make a decision about.

For more info:

drmomma.org
4eric.org
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...html#resources
cirp.org
nocirc.org
savingsons.org

and check out this thread for like a million more links: http://diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119362

Please, please, please don't circumcise your babies.
While I agree with not circ she specifically asked for pain options. Let's not turn this into a debate and make us anti circ moms look crazy.
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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

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i know this isn't what you posted for, but please give what I'm saying a chance.

Please don't circumcise your babies. No medical organization in the world recommends circumcision. There is no health benefit. Annually, 200 babies die from circumcision complications such as blood loss, hemorrhaging, sepsis, MRSA etc. Approximately 1/3 of all circumcisions are botched to some degree, and about 4% of all babies circumcised will need post operative treatment and surgery due to complications (this is about 48,000 babies per year.)

Circumcision interferes with breastfeeding. Out of 100 boys circumcised, approximately 75 will not readily breastfeed. Babies are born with a breast crawl reflex, circumcision interferes with that. Out of 100 boys, 3 will develop phimosis, 31 will develop metal ulcers, 55 will have some form of adverse reaction to the surgery, and 8 will suffer infection at the surgical site.

Circumcision damages sex for both men and women. Circumcising a man removes the foreskin, which is a prepuce organ. It has millions of nerve endings. The prepuce organ in the female is the clitoral hood and in the womb, they are formed from the exact same tissue. Removing the foreskin literally is like removing the clitoral hood. Circumcision also hurts women because circumcised men have sex in a completely different manner than intact men. Check out www.sexasnatureintendedit.com to see visual images of these differences. Definitely not work or child safe, graphic sexual images. My DH is intact, and from having done things with circumcised men, I can tell you there really IS a world of a difference when it comes to pleasure and that is obvious in their reactions to stimulation. The intact penis isn't dirty either as long as the man takes a shower, which he should be doing whether he is intact or not.

The head of the penis is not fully developed at birth. the foreskin is actually fused to the head via the synachia. This is to protect the still developing glans, and to prevent urine and fecal matter from entering the urethra and from having contact with the glans. When you remove the foreskin, you are exposing an underdeveloped glans and raising your child's risk of developing a UTI. Also, when you circumcise you create a wound. A wound that now gets to sit in dirty and moist diapers and that will burn intensely every time he pees.

Most doctors will not numb an infant for circumcision, and if they do, it's with local anesthetic. You STILL feel a circumcision with a local anesthetic, I promise. Not to mention that the local anesthetic in itself is painful.

Have you ever seen a circumcision performed? If not, you can see photos and a video here: http://www.cirp.org/​library/procedure/​plastibell/ and here: http://www.circumcisionvideos.com/

Considering the risks and the fact that there is no health benefit and that no medical organization in the world recommends circumcision, why circumcise? Also consider that circumcision is associated with sexual problems such as painful erections, decreased pleasure, keratinization of the glans, and even erectile dysfunction. It's not your penis, it should be up to your sons when they are adults if they want to do it. This isn't like a medically necessary procedure that you need to make a decision about.

For more info:

drmomma.org
4eric.org
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...html#resources
cirp.org
nocirc.org
savingsons.org


and check out this thread for like a million more links: http://diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119362


Please, please, please don't circumcise your babies.


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Let's keep this on topic. You are assuming someone someone hasnt done their research because they havent made your choice. Mama is not asking for advice on whether she should or not. Thank you.

Pro circing is still extremely popular in the us and mamas should be able to get advice on here without being told their choice is wrong.
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I would not call circ 'extremely popular' in the US. Current rates are about 50% and have been dropping rapidly for the past decade.

Like the previous poster I feel a moral obligation try and save baby boys from this surgery. No flames just info.
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Where I work, no nerve block is used becuase it's even more painful and swells the penis up, making for a more difficult cut.
This.

If you are wanting the circ done with adequate pain relief, would it be possible to wait until they are old enough (a couple months maybe?) to go under full anesthesia with a Pediatric Urologist? In our hospital the OB/GYN does the Circ and I just don't trust a person who is used to looking at apples peeling an orange, IYKWIM.

It may be a good middle of the road for your DH if he chooses that he wants it done. It may also give you both time to get used to an intact infant and help him choose to leave it that way if he sees how little extra work goes into it since you aren't for / against anyway?

My ODS was circ'd because my DH chose to have him done and I didn't have strong enough research to back up my gut feeling of it being a stupid procedure for a newborn to have. They used the numbing cream, but they did NOT wait the appropriate amount of time for it to take effect. We also are currently dealing with many circ related issues now that my DS is older (very tight circ, hurts with erections, pain when urinating, etc) and so we ultimately chose to leave my YDS intact based on our first experience, as well as the chance I had to watch them during my clincial rotations in nursing school, and the research that I was able to do between the two boys to back up my gut feelings.

I can tell you that as a nurse, I would not submit my newborn to a circ before coming home, but if I were going to circ another child (male or female), I would wait and get it done by a Ped. urologist so that I knew it had the best chance at coming out correctly.

Good luck with your decision Mama, I hope that you all are able to get all of the information you need to make your choice!
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This.

If you are wanting the circ done with adequate pain relief, would it be possible to wait until they are old enough (a couple months maybe?) to go under full anesthesia with a Pediatric Urologist? In our hospital the OB/GYN does the Circ and I just don't trust a person who is used to looking at apples peeling an orange, IYKWIM.

It may be a good middle of the road for your DH if he chooses that he wants it done. It may also give you both time to get used to an intact infant and help him choose to leave it that way if he sees how little extra work goes into it since you aren't for / against anyway?

My ODS was circ'd because my DH chose to have him done and I didn't have strong enough research to back up my gut feeling of it being a stupid procedure for a newborn to have. They used the numbing cream, but they did NOT wait the appropriate amount of time for it to take effect. We also are currently dealing with many circ related issues now that my DS is older (very tight circ, hurts with erections, pain when urinating, etc) and so we ultimately chose to leave my YDS intact based on our first experience, as well as the chance I had to watch them during my clincial rotations in nursing school, and the research that I was able to do between the two boys to back up my gut feelings.

I can tell you that as a nurse, I would not submit my newborn to a circ before coming home, but if I were going to circ another child (male or female), I would wait and get it done by a Ped. urologist so that I knew it had the best chance at coming out correctly.

Good luck with your decision Mama, I hope that you all are able to get all of the information you need to make your choice!
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