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Old 03-14-2012, 08:41 AM   #21
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My BFFs son could not get circed at birth, so they waited until he could be put under (6 months). If we were to circ (which we aren't), that would be the only way- but putting your child under brings a whole new can of potential complications.

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Old 03-14-2012, 10:02 AM   #22
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I didn't with ods, we knew virtually nothing about circ. We were informed insurance would not pay (cosmetic surgery) then dh and I did some research and decided it was an unnecessary procedure for our baby boy.
Over the 11 years since then with a lot more research I feel a lot more strongly than I did then.
I would absolutely only do it to them with full anesthesia. But one thing I am wondering is if you are going to agree to it for your babies why don't you want to be there for it? Is it like he wants it so he has to watch? I do NOT mean that snarky, I am serious. I mean, I guess I feel strongly that if we as parents choose or go along with something we're questioning, isn't it our absolute responsibility to be THERE? Oh, and one other thing, a pp mentioned having it done the next day, I am pretty sure it should only be done the 8th day, for optimal clotting.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:15 AM   #23
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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

Nerve blocks take several minutes to work. When I was 18, I got two of them on my big toe (which is significantly less nerve-dense than a penis) and it HURT! Holy crap, did it hurt (and I have a really high pain tolerance). I didn't cry from post-surgery pain the year before, or when I broke my foot in middle school, but I cried like a baby over the nerve block. It also does increase swelling, which is something to watch out for as it can cause complications.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:28 AM   #24
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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

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i know this isn't what you posted for, but please give what I'm saying a chance.

Please don't circumcise your babies. No medical organization in the world recommends circumcision. There is no health benefit. Annually, 200 babies die from circumcision complications such as blood loss, hemorrhaging, sepsis, MRSA etc. Approximately 1/3 of all circumcisions are botched to some degree, and about 4% of all babies circumcised will need post operative treatment and surgery due to complications (this is about 48,000 babies per year.)

Circumcision interferes with breastfeeding. Out of 100 boys circumcised, approximately 75 will not readily breastfeed. Babies are born with a breast crawl reflex, circumcision interferes with that. Out of 100 boys, 3 will develop phimosis, 31 will develop metal ulcers, 55 will have some form of adverse reaction to the surgery, and 8 will suffer infection at the surgical site.

Circumcision damages sex for both men and women. Circumcising a man removes the foreskin, which is a prepuce organ. It has millions of nerve endings. The prepuce organ in the female is the clitoral hood and in the womb, they are formed from the exact same tissue. Removing the foreskin literally is like removing the clitoral hood. Circumcision also hurts women because circumcised men have sex in a completely different manner than intact men. Check out www.sexasnatureintendedit.com to see visual images of these differences. Definitely not work or child safe, graphic sexual images. My DH is intact, and from having done things with circumcised men, I can tell you there really IS a world of a difference when it comes to pleasure and that is obvious in their reactions to stimulation. The intact penis isn't dirty either as long as the man takes a shower, which he should be doing whether he is intact or not.

The head of the penis is not fully developed at birth. the foreskin is actually fused to the head via the synachia. This is to protect the still developing glans, and to prevent urine and fecal matter from entering the urethra and from having contact with the glans. When you remove the foreskin, you are exposing an underdeveloped glans and raising your child's risk of developing a UTI. Also, when you circumcise you create a wound. A wound that now gets to sit in dirty and moist diapers and that will burn intensely every time he pees.

Most doctors will not numb an infant for circumcision, and if they do, it's with local anesthetic. You STILL feel a circumcision with a local anesthetic, I promise. Not to mention that the local anesthetic in itself is painful.

Have you ever seen a circumcision performed? If not, you can see photos and a video here: http://www.cirp.org/​library/procedure/​plastibell/ and here: http://www.circumcisionvideos.com/

Considering the risks and the fact that there is no health benefit and that no medical organization in the world recommends circumcision, why circumcise? Also consider that circumcision is associated with sexual problems such as painful erections, decreased pleasure, keratinization of the glans, and even erectile dysfunction. It's not your penis, it should be up to your sons when they are adults if they want to do it. This isn't like a medically necessary procedure that you need to make a decision about.

For more info:

drmomma.org
4eric.org
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...html#resources
cirp.org
nocirc.org
savingsons.org


and check out this thread for like a million more links: http://diaperswappers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119362


Please, please, please don't circumcise your babies.


the only other point i wanted to make to the OP is that even IF the nerve block worked for the actual procedure the LO takes at least a week to heal. that means it stings every time he pees/poos on it/ has his dipe changed... you have to realize there is more to it than just the actual procedure.
ALSO.. a large percentage have adhesions that later on have to be dealt with, generally in the ped office with ZERO pain relief.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:44 AM   #25
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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

From what pp have said the nerve block sounds like it might cause problems. I can total understand wanting the best pain management, but also rememeber that even if they do a good.job numbing the feeling during there is still the after to pain to worry with. I understand you said still deciding and I was just wondering have you watched this yet . It is long(about 34 minutes), but full of information.
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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

Other things to consider are the risks for this cosmetic procedure:

Sometimes nerve blocks are used, but most often not (in my experience).
It is still painful for 7-10 days.
Can put a big hitch in breastfeeding and latching on.
Risk of infection, bleeding, etc.
There is a risk of the procedure not done correctly- there are no "redo's" when it comes to permanent surgery.

I hope you do some more research and really understand the procedure itself before you make your decision.
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:18 PM   #27
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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

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**please no flames from my anti-circ friends out there**

Huh. Pretty sure I wrote that in English.
And I'm the one who apparently hasn't done simple research?

If your goal is to keep boys intact (an admirable goal, if that's something you're passionate about), insulting parents by giving them a lecture they specifically asked not to be given, and assuming they haven't done research, is not the way to achieve your goal. It's insulting and demeaning.

In fact, it provides the opposite effect.

You're doing your cause a gross disservice when you behave in a combative manner. It does not inform; it insults and divides.

There is information all over diaper swappers, and if you had taken the time to read my previous posts in this thread (which clearly you did not), it'd be pretty obvious that I was well informed and knew every single thing you posted.

But hey, hurray for insulting me and driving me away!


And for other PPs who have offered information about nerve blocks, thank you! It's all been very useful, and I'll be taking it all into consideration, and will be taking what I've learned here to my next appointment to discuss with our midwife and OB.
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:21 PM   #28
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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

No one flamed you even in the slightest. You said you were still deciding whether or not to circ and several people provided you VERY respectful information on circumcision. That's not flaming in any form and I'm sorry if you feel hurt.

In my experience here they will not do a nerve block and will NOT allow a parent to be present. Have you discussed circumcision with your chosen pediatrician? Ours will not do them at all but will refer you to a pediatric urologist.

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Re: Nerve Block for Circumcision

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No one flamed you even in the slightest. You said you were still deciding whether or not to circ and several people provided you VERY respectful information on circumcision. That's not flaming in any form.

It doesn't take an Ivy League English professor to have figured out the purpose of the thread though. Clearly I was seeking information on nerve blocks and pain management, not whether or not to have it done.

Next time I'll make sure to write a full paragraph length worth of disclaimers on what I don't want to hear. In retrospect, I can see how beneficial that would be for those not capable of drawing simple conclusions based on the current subject matter being discussed.

On that note, because I don't want it on my conscience, remember not to take your hair dryer into the shower with you!! I'd write up a full explanation of the reasons why, but.... well, ya'll are grown ups. You can google it! Just please, BE SAFE!
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No one flamed you even in the slightest. You said you were still deciding whether or not to circ and several people provided you VERY respectful information on circumcision. That's not flaming in any form and I'm sorry if you feel hurt.

In my experience here they will not do a nerve block and will NOT allow a parent to be present. Have you discussed circumcision with your chosen pediatrician? Ours will not do them at all but will refer you to a pediatric urologist.
I was thinking the same thing. I dont see any flames, belittling or nasty comments. Just information.
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