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Old 03-15-2012, 10:12 AM   #21
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You CAN get lung cancer without smoking.
You CAN get diabetes while eating awesome and being a gym rat.
Of course. But your chances of acquiring these diseases rise substantially when you do smoke or let yourself go. And I'm not sure what the length of time it takes for these diseases to develop has to do with anything. They're still expensive and they're still covered by health insurance, as they should be.

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Old 03-15-2012, 10:19 AM   #22
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Who pays for what is the least of my worries. What concerns me above and beyond all this insurance stuff is the general attitude of some of the politicians out there. If a politician thinks that women should pay for their own birth control, that is one thing. If a politician is morally-opposed to birth control and feels the need to impose that belief on women, well that is quite another. I find the opinions of the extreme religious right to be far more disturbing than any financial discussion about who should pay the tab for birth control. I feel like I'm witnessing a war on sex in general, and more specifically a war on women. THAT is what I find frightening.
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Of course. But your chances of acquiring these diseases rise substantially when you do smoke or let yourself go. And I'm not sure what the length of time it takes for these diseases to develop has to do with anything. They're still expensive and they're still covered by health insurance, as they should be.
Because humans are much more likely to pay attention to things that are closer together in time than ones that are furthur apart. We have had decades of research by specialists to tell us that smoking causes cancer. We've pretty much always known that sex leads to babies.

There are plenty of insurance companies that do reward non smokers/penalize smokers with their rates. I'm good with that.
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You CAN get lung cancer without smoking.
You CAN get diabetes while eating awesome and being a gym rat.

You canNOT (accidentally) get pregnant without having sex.
But you CAN get pregnant without choosing to have sex. Women get pregnant from rapes everyday. Oh, but I forgot, according to Rick Santorum we should make the most out of a bad situation if we get pregnant from a rape. We should, as he said, be thankful for this gift from god.
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Who pays for what is the least of my worries. What concerns me above and beyond all this insurance stuff is the general attitude of some of the politicians out there. If a politician thinks that women should pay for their own birth control, that is one thing. If a politician is morally-opposed to birth control and feels the need to impose that belief on women, well that is quite another. I find the opinions of the extreme religious right to be far more disturbing than any financial discussion about who should pay the tab for birth control. I feel like I'm witnessing a war on sex in general, and more specifically a war on women. THAT is what I find frightening.
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Exactly. You would think the pro-lifers would be behind this 1000%. Especially since stats show countries with low cost/free birth control have lower abortion rates.
Most pro-lifers believe life begins at conception, since the pill flushes out embryos and makes the lining of the uterus to thin to allow implantation (in other words causes abortions), we really can't be behind this imitative at all.
A lot of people don't know that the progesterone in he pill causes abortions, IUD like Mirena do too. So those countries just have lower rates of doctor-preformed abortions, not necessarily fewer aborts happening.
We can disagree about the issue, I just thought I'd try to explain one reason why pro-lifers aren't seeing this as any sort of solution.

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But you CAN get pregnant without choosing to have sex. Women get pregnant from rapes everyday. Oh, but I forgot, according to Rick Santorum we should make the most out of a bad situation if we get pregnant from a rape. We should, as he said, be thankful for this gift from god.
I thought we were talking about the majority of sexual relations.
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$0 copay is not the same thing as free.
How is $0 different than free?
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How is $0 different than free?
The patient still purchases health insurance from the provider. Really, the cost is just spread to everyone in the group using insurance whether or not they choose to use hormonal birth control.
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How is $0 different than free?
Free would be not paying a dime for it. $0 copay means I pay the insurance company premiums and part of my benefits is a $0 copay on that prescription. I'm still paying for insurance. It is not free because if I didn't pay that insurance, my copay wouldn't be $0.
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