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Old 06-01-2012, 10:13 AM   #1
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Vit K/ Eye Drops/Shots Questions for baby

I was just writing up my birth plan (really just adjusting a few things from last baby) and within my research I was reading other's plans. Lots of mamas say about delaying or not doing Vit K/ Eye Drops/Shots.

I'm not really educated on this front. What are the pros and cons of having them done and when? Why do YOU or don't YOU do them?

I'd wait till I go to my ped next, but as it happens that'll be just around my EDD... I can call him I guess, but I don't like to do that if not an emergency.

So, thanks for any info!

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Old 06-01-2012, 10:49 AM   #2
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They do vitamin k because babies clotting factors are not fully developed til around 3 days old. They want the babies blood for the heel prick so they supposedly cover their bases with vitamin k. Of course then hey go to get the blood and the baby doesnt bleed like they want to so the heel prick test becomes a horrific event of "milking" the babies foot for blood. Just so you know, you can opt out of the heel prick test contrary to what most docs/hospitals tell you, there is an exemption. The eye drops are really unnessecary unless mom has some sort of vaginal infection going on at birth that could cause bacteria to get into the eyes of the baby when being born, totally not needed in most cases.

I highly suggest researching it, we have not done eye drops or vitamin k with ours and I will not be doing a heel test again either now that I know I can say no.

While you are at it, please research vaccines, especially the hepatitis b one, they will try to inject your baby with it before yu leave the hospital, first off no safety studies of that vaccine have been done on infants, second hep b is a disease spread through sex or dirty needles, third it contains thimerisol (mercury), fourth it was initially made for prostitutes and drug users who had no interest in buying it, so the manufacturer was left with these vaccines, went to the government and asked what they should do with them and they said give them to babies. Please do your research, vaccines have been linked to SIDS and many other health problems. Not trying to scare you, just please take the time to look into this stuff and don't blindly trust the mainstream medical field. You as a parent have to take the time to educate yourself about these things. You know your baby best and are responsible for their care.

If you would like more information on vaccines I would be happy to share, it have been researching it for years as I have two vaccine injured children.
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Old 06-01-2012, 11:38 AM   #3
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We denied all 3 with our last baby and the hospital didn't even bat an eye, they just said "ok" and went on their way. We'll be doing the same this time.
Making sure you nurse and that your baby is getting all of that good colostrum the first couple of days is a great way to get vit k, unless you have vaginal infection that could be passed to the baby you don't really need the eye drops and I just told them we'd do the Hep B vaccine later and that I didn't want to stick a newborn if I didn't have to
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:20 AM   #4
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Re: Vit K/ Eye Drops/Shots Questions for baby

Thanks for the info! I will continue to do my research then. But, what I understand, besides vaccines, the other things are just unnecessary so why do it to the baby- not that they are inherently harmful. Is that correct?
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:05 PM   #5
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Re: Vit K/ Eye Drops/Shots Questions for baby

We don't do the eye drops or vit K.

We do vax but not until 2 months old, and we consider ourselves to be "educated" on them since both my DH and I have biology backgrounds and my brother in law has a medical degree and a strong interest in immunology, so I am VERY unlikely to believe in the fearmongering when it comes to vaxing (although I used to)! If there is not a well-done scientific study to back up someone's claims, I can't rely on those claims.

My midwife brought up the vit k & eye drops and said I could opt out and I defintely will, it's no big deal. She said the vit k is important if my son will be getting circ'd, and he won't, and the eye drops are in case of std.

ETA: Hep B vax does NOT contain thimerosal according to the FDA. See the table here: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVac...y/UCM096228#t1

Some info on Vit K:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/007320.htm
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Vitamin K injections are intended to help babies with incomplete clotting diseases. Between 1 in 5,000 and 1 in 25,000 babies is born with this disease. To avoid issues of incomplete clotting, allow the umbilical cord to stop pulsing before cutting the cord. Unless your baby suffers from excessive bruising as a result of trauma at birth, you can be fairly certain that your baby is not suffering from a Vitamin K Deficiency Clotting Disorder. Many hospitals fail to realize that Vitamin K was NOT intended to be injected into the muscle (it specifically states that fact on the hand out that comes with the injection). If you want to do Vitamin K, but don't want the injection, both mother and baby should be supplemented with Vitamin K orally. Clear this with your Pediatrician (in writing) and bring the written "script" so the hospital won't harass you about it.

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The eye drops are intended to ward off bacterial infection of the eyes from STD's. Only you know whether you can be 100% sure that you do NOT have an STD. I do have a cousin that got an STD from her husband prior to the birth of both of her children (why she would proceed to have a second child, I just don't want to try to understand). She did NOT know this. She never considered opting out of the eye drops, so her children's eyes were unaffected, but she and both of her kids were treated for an STD postpartum. An interesting conversation I'm sure.

The eye drops do interfere with the baby's vision for up to 2 weeks. This isn't life threatening (to have blurred vision), but I definitely enjoyed being able to look at my newborn and know they could actually see me and found eye contact to be greater with my second (didn't get eye drops) as opposed to my first (did get eye drops).

We opt out of the HepB vaccination until our children have finished other, more immediately necessary, vaccines. We consider our children's risk for HepB and HepA relatively low given our living circumstances. We also follow a modified vaccination schedule to rule out allergies to certain vaccines (we have a history of vaccine reaction in both of our children).
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We will be having the vit K as DS will be circ'd and will more then likely come a bit early. Even if we weren't circing he would get it because of my Pre e and him coming early.

He will be getting the eye goop as I have HPV and I'm just being in the safe side.

We vax in schedule as we are a military family and never know where our next station is. While certain diseases have been eradicated here in the US certain parts of the world are still affected by them. Even if we are not sent as a family unit DH still has a high rate of being sent to these places. He is in the medical field and may encounter things most people wouldn't and this way I ensuring my boys safety.
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Re: Vit K/ Eye Drops/Shots Questions for baby

The eye goop doesn't protect against HPV, only against chlamydia and gonorrhea. Also, if you choose to use the ointment request that it not be silver nitrate which burns and is less comfortable for baby.
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Heres some not so highly published information on the hep b vaccine
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...fant-boys.aspx

And the vaccine ingredient lists
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html


And I would encourage those who are vaccinating to research how the disease rates dropped before vaccines were introduced. Vaccines have not been proven to be effective.
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My babes have never had vitamin k or eye goop. (And I have HPV.)

Did you know your baby will have more vitamin K in his blood at birth if you eat lots of leafy greens? Many U.S. women DON'T eat enough leafy greens. In other countries, it is not standard, and babies are not bleeding to death from lack of vitamin K shots. But many other countries have healthier eating habits than we do.

Even if HepB vax does NOT have mercury (and I don't think it does anymore, I've been reading a lot on the CDC website lately), it is an STD. My PRO-VAX family doc in Kansas was always thrilled when people opted out of it, though he wouldn't actively encourage people not to get it. My FIL has HepB, so I was scared and when I asked if my 1st kid should get it he was just like, "Um, HepB is spread through sex and dirty needles- do YOU think he needs it?" Touche', doc!

Anyway, ask if you can wait for any pricking to be done when baby is nursing. It helps.

Oh, and my babies do get a heel stick right away because I am rh-. But each time I do it while they are latched on and sucking well.
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