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They're a total ripoff 19 20.88%
They are pricey but I do them anyway 8 8.79%
Cloth is the only way to go if you really care 64 70.33%
Disposable is the only way to go if you look at everything 0 0%
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:46 AM   #91
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Re: The economics of hybrid diapers is broken

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Hello, OP here. A couple think I'm trolling but I didn't want to be ranting and raving by responding to every single post; rather, I wanted to see what you experts (said with all due deference) had to say and then contribute my own best thinking after considering the input.

I must say, I did not expect so much feedback (although the topic is a bit incendiary I admit) nor so much constructive feedback, which I thank those of you who've taken the time to do so for. I was running a bit hot when I posted but I was feeling disappointed that there wasn't a good solution on the market (the way I saw it).

Here's some of the most helpful perspective for me:

anniekins1488 said

You were right!

kbstanley3 said

Do you mean you leave a poopy diaper in a hamper for a day or two before washing it? Do you wash 5 or 10 such diapers at a time? My personal instinct is that that is thoroughly.. unsavory, but maybe I'd just "get over it" too if I did it enough. I will consider this excellent piece of wisdom from someone who's been doing it for years, thank you.

Mercy24 said

This is a great point. Perhaps for some people composting is a must, such as those living away from trash services. For others, it may be worth the extra cost to know they aren't dumping tons of trash into a landfill. For me, the fact that inserts produce less trash should mean less cost, but then again market externalities and the garbage tax are outside fair discussion here. Nonetheless, from my perspective perhaps I might consider whether I would in fact want to reward a company extra for helping me have less impact.

At the same time, overall, the best way to make everybody use these products is to make them cheaper, which ironically decreases actual cost of production and increases profit, thus allowing the cost to come down. It's like we're some kind of "early adopter" test market, like someone paying huge money for laserdiscs or something. Just make the product cheap.

dannic asked

Fair enough, maybe I am overreacting. Honestly, maybe I should just not care about the cleanliness factor. But even if I drop that, there's still other ways in which disposable inserts are just too high cost - high direct cost, high cost of other aspects like the covers and the water and detergent, and high cost of work. They may be small but they add up to "hybrids are more expensive than disposables" when by any logic they should be cheaper, which is my whole point.

staceray7 said

Thanks for at least giving a little! I was starting to think my entire argument was just anathema to the crowd.

meldo said

For the record, we're breastfeeding, because the value of it is worth what it takes to do it. That's of course her decision and she made it and I support her. I guess the eco side isn't worth me paying more for less product. It's like when you get "no onions no pickles" at some hamburger places and they charge you extra to not put them on - they should be paying you a discount for saving them money.

MaMaJodiapers said

Thank you for seeing my point. Maybe venting a little is part of my complaint. The most helpful part here however is the mention of a diaper service. That would be helpful and interesting but we live in a small, remote town and there's nothing like that, not that I had considered it.

I do care about the environment and am aware of the negative impact of diapers to it. That's why I started looking…

jessi4jc said

It's not, but "all things being equal" it's the only difference. I assumed that either way baby gets cleaned. However, you go on to say that they're not all created equal:



It took me a while, but this is a great point, assuming it's true. Diaper rash is a bit of an issue till we put on the cream, but if cloth doesn't even have this problem that's a good value worth paying more for. Also, if diapers are carcinogenic that's obviously worth it, not that I've ever heard that before. If you just mean in the sense that anything modern and plastic must be bad, then no.


Exactly!

Leah52 reiterates the health angle:

Excellent point! I do need to research the other "hidden costs" of diapers don't I. Maybe it's worth the extra $1000 on top of the $2-3k for regular disposables to have hybrids, after all.

TooBusyBearcubs asks

I started by wanting to give feedback to the companies, yes. you got me! I can see how buying some nice, artesian, handmade cloth diapers would be nice, and I'm not trying to beat down on cloth diapers. Just hybrid diapers which are a big letdown. We made our own bassinet from scratch for our baby and are not above the earth.

It's the irrationality of the pricing that just gripes me. I want to buy from them but I can't in good conscience pay too much unless I simply must.

Kabuki24 adds

I think you may be right! We may try all cloth - but probably not hybrids.

Sorry I did not get back sooner. I did not want people to think I was trolling. I just wanted to let the question breathe a bit.

thanks to all! I will keep up with this thread and also post any updates on our journey. One thing everyone said and I agree with is that each person decides what's right for them, and I respect that. We are doing that too over here...

PS - I love that many of you put on some great signatures about your families and whatnot. It's a sweet touch.
You have a one week old and are able to think clearly enough--not to mention have the time--to compose a well thought out response like this? don't worry, you will have plenty of time and resolve to wash cloth diapers!!

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Old 06-17-2012, 06:34 AM   #92
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I haven't read all the responses but I do see your point...it is way more expensive to use hybrids full time. So if cost is a factor it doesn't make sense to do it. Alot of us use the disposible hybrids for vacations/ going out and cloth for our main changes. And just like with anything there are different price points to cloth as well, and reasons to use it. Sounds like poo is a factor for OP so I would get a diaper sprayer if u do decide to use cloth. I honestly can say it was the best investment I made. I really don't think I would have made it with cding without it!

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If poop/washing it is the issue, I'm surprised no one has mentioned flushable liners. Especially once the child is getting solids that takes care of a lot of the stool right there. And, until then 100% breastmilk happens to be 100% soluble so you don't even have to do anything the first 6 months.
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Re: The economics of hybrid diapers is broken

Disposable diapers = chemicals and garbage
Hybrid disposable inserts = NO chemicals, and biodegradable (better for baby and better for the environment. Simple. Logical.
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My guess is he doesn't care about compostability/the eco side of cding as much as he cares about his time and the convenience of disposables. I read an article on breastfeeding that had the same argument: breastfeeding is free so long as the mother's time is worth nothing.

Such a lot of effort put into a post with, unfortunately, no thought put into where to post it.

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Old 11-05-2012, 09:42 PM   #96
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I see OP's point but honestly it's not that hard to give a poopy diaper a quick rinse in the sink then throw it in a pail. Ya gotta clean it up either way. I CD twin babes and I will never go back to disposables. We use gdiapers with cloth only and I have saved so much money. I had to use pampers for a weekend not that long ago and every poopy diaper equaled a new set of clothes. That doesn't happen with my g's. It restored my faith in my cloths. I do 15 extra loads of wash per month and have compensated by using water differently in other aspects of our lives. It's not hard at all and I have twice as much as most to wash. I say try all your options and then decide. I think the refills are too pricey too so I don't buy them. Doing the diaper wash is so much easier than bugging my hubby to get rid of our trash (we live in an area that doesn't have curbside trash pickup. Rural farmers here!) so I plan to stick with it. Wish I would have started from day one instead of month 9.
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Re: The economics of hybrid diapers is broken

Funny seeing this again. Seeing op only has 2 posts and both were within days of his joining I would assume he chose to go with sposies. I agree with him totally when it comes to disposable inserts but think otherwise cloth is great.
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I think you're doing it all wrong, in my opinion! Going the hybrid system is stupid. Cloth diapers will last you years. Buy ones that are completely cloth instead of paper inserts. Yes, the initial cost of all cloth is staggering but well worth it. $500 to diaper your baby from birth to potty training is what we have spent so far. Yes, you have to buy detergent, most people use the free and clear tide, which I am sure you're already using, so no extra expense there. I wash my 12 diapers every night (she doesn't soil all of them about 6). You know how much my water bill as went up? Less than $10 a month and my electric bill, is not much higher than running everything else. I cloth diaper even when on vacation.

Who cares about poop! You rinse it out and it's gone.

Good luck and don't give up. If you don't like the hybrid system, figure out another system that you like better. Why buy paper diapers to put in a cloth shell? That part doesn't make sense to me. Keep us posted!

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Old 11-15-2012, 02:24 PM   #99
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Re: The economics of hybrid diapers is broken

Disposable inserts + Disposable income = Convenience item.
Convenience, generally = Time/efficiency savings.

I don't believe most CD users consider disposable inserts to be absolutely necessary. It's rather an option for those who can afford them when time/location dictates their use.
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Re: The economics of hybrid diapers is broken

The only thing that I think makes hybrids better is that some are flushable. I know with G-diapers you flush the inserts. THAT makes them better than regular disposables. It puts the human waste into water treatment, where it should be, instead of into a landfill.
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