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Old 06-19-2012, 02:05 PM   #11
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ARGH!!
As unvaxed kids parents WE should be more scared of vaxed kids, LOL.
Not the other way around.. seriously.


So annoying, really pisses me off.
Thankfully our pediatrician is very supportive of our decision not to vax, he never even asked after the first time we went into the office. He actually said "Good for you".
I feel very lucky.
I completely agree. It gets me when vaxed kids' parents are like OMG keep your unvaxed kid away from my vaxed kid. Hello? Isn't that the reason you vax?

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Old 06-19-2012, 02:08 PM   #12
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I'm sorry that you're daughter doesn't have a Dr. right now. I'm sure that's frustrating and potentially scary.

However, just as it's your right to refuse treatment (vaccines), it's his right not to treat you. Our ped is a super popular, always overbooked, awesome Dr. He won't see any patients whose parents refuse to vaccinate (without a valid medical reason, like they are immunocompromised). It's his call. I, as a fully vaxxing parent, feel better about taking my tiny, fresh, unvaxxed newbies into an office that doesn't allow non-vax patients. Just my personal feelings though.

I really do hope that you find a good Dr. that is a better fit for your family, and soon. Maybe you could ask the regular ped for some more referrals?
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:08 PM   #13
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Not sure I understand the bolded. I would anticipate that OP's child's doctor is concerned about unvaxed individuals potentially bringing a VPD in to the office full of individuals with lung problems. Children who are immune from those diseases as a result of their vaccinations will not be bringing them into the doctor's office to infect those around them.

A child can carry the illness and have no symptoms or less severe symptoms since they are vaxed, therefore the parent wouldn't know to keep them home...they can then spread the illness to my children.
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I completely agree. It gets me when vaxed kids' parents are like OMG keep your unvaxed kid away from my vaxed kid. Hello? Isn't that the reason you vax?
I would suggest that a pediatric pulmonologist specialist has children who are immunocompromised as well as to young to have had vaccinations. I doubt that this doctor is worried about the vaxed children in their practice, but is concerned about the potential of an intentionally unvaxed child bringing a VPD into an office with other patients who cannot or are not yet able to receive vaccination.
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I would suggest that a pediatric pulmonologist specialist has children who are immunocompromised as well as to young to have had vaccinations. I doubt that this doctor is worried about the vaxed children in their practice, but is concerned about the potential of an intentionally unvaxed child bringing a VPD into an office with other patients who cannot or are not yet able to receive vaccination.
But there is always that risk. Some vaccines shed. And its been proven that whooping cough is actually spread more by ADULTS than unvaccinated children.
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A child can carry the illness and have no symptoms or less severe symptoms since they are vaxed, therefore the parent wouldn't know to keep them home...they can then spread the illness to my children.
In many cases VPDs have little to no symptoms while they are in fact contagious. This is one reason that many of these diseases are so contagious - by the time you are sick enough to stay at home, you have exposed everyone you know.

While certainly there is the 1%-15% (depending upon the vaccination) of children who are vaxed who do not receive immunity, 100% of the patients without the vaccination are not immune. There is no way to account for every possibility. However, the pulmonologist is playing the odds. Odds are that very few of his patients are going to be exposed with these diseases in the first place (because of the vaccination rates in the general population) and that an even smaller number of those who were vaccinated are even potentially suseptible to the disease and of those even a smaller number will be infected. On the other hand, those who are not vaccinated are just as likely as the vaccinated to come into contact with a VPD and not everyone who come into contact will get the disease, but 100% of those are suseptible, so they are more likely to become infected and contagious.
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But there is always that risk. Some vaccines shed. And its been proven that whooping cough is actually spread more by ADULTS than unvaccinated children.
Adults who have not had their booster are "undervacciated." They fall into the same category as a child who is not un/under-vaccinated.

Shedding is always mentioned in these threads. However, the science behind shedding is more theoretical than fact. There seems to be an idea that when a person is vaccinated, there are giant pieces of disease just falling off of them to land on other people who might get sick. This is not true. In order for this to happen, the pathogen has to replicate enough to reach sufficient load in the vaccinated individual to then in turn allow them to become contagious to another individual.
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I'm sorry that you're daughter doesn't have a Dr. right now. I'm sure that's frustrating and potentially scary.

However, just as it's your right to refuse treatment (vaccines), it's his right not to treat you. Our ped is a super popular, always overbooked, awesome Dr. He won't see any patients whose parents refuse to vaccinate (without a valid medical reason, like they are immunocompromised). It's his call. I, as a fully vaxxing parent, feel better about taking my tiny, fresh, unvaxxed newbies into an office that doesn't allow non-vax patients. Just my personal feelings though.

I really do hope that you find a good Dr. that is a better fit for your family, and soon. Maybe you could ask the regular ped for some more referrals?
I'm well aware that he has the right to refuse to see my daughter. I just hate how I was treated last time when he attacked me. And this is her 3rd appt. Why didn't he save me the time/money and tell me the first time we went? He77 he should have known from her ped file which I am pretty sure he didn't request (or it wasn't sent??) since I had to tell him EVERYTHING!! You'd think as a child who has been hospitalized 3 times in her very short life and who has undergone treatment that isn't working he would want to see her history....
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In many cases VPDs have little to no symptoms while they are in fact contagious. This is one reason that many of these diseases are so contagious - by the time you are sick enough to stay at home, you have exposed everyone you know.

While certainly there is the 1%-15% (depending upon the vaccination) of children who are vaxed who do not receive immunity, 100% of the patients without the vaccination are not immune. There is no way to account for every possibility. However, the pulmonologist is playing the odds. Odds are that very few of his patients are going to be exposed with these diseases in the first place (because of the vaccination rates in the general population) and that an even smaller number of those who were vaccinated are even potentially suseptible to the disease and of those even a smaller number will be infected. On the other hand, those who are not vaccinated are just as likely as the vaccinated to come into contact with a VPD and not everyone who come into contact will get the disease, but 100% of those are suseptible, so they are more likely to become infected and contagious.
Thanks. I was gonna ask about that, too, but I get it. As backed, we automatically think "just a cold..." when he might have something worse but it doesn't affect him cuz he's vaxed.
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It sounds like this might be for the best. Find a doctor that is supportive of your choices and will work within what you feel you are willing to do.
This. We're selective vaxxing and our ped is very supportive. I wouldn't tolerate going to a ped that wasn't supportive of our decisions.
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