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Old 02-02-2013, 09:26 PM   #51
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I never assumed the specialist who did your sons unheard of circumcision was also your risk defying OB that guaranteed you a risk free epidural. I said your OB that you drove 5hrs to see must have also been an anesthesiologist being as OB's don't do epidurals.

Oh, and I frequent the pregnancy board, hence the majority of my posts and my response to this thread when it was first started. I like to follow threads that I've replied to. So, no stalking necessary. I'm just mighty impressed by all these super docs and all their amazing procedures you have access to.. that's all! A risk free epidural done by an OBGYN... something trained anesthesiologists can't even guarantee. And then the unheard of, completely painless circumcision procedure where your son was injected into his abdominal/hip/pelvic area to feel no sensation and was able to sleep peacefully through the entire thing and not suffer any discomfort afterwards. Who WOULDN'T be impressed!?
I never said my OB is the one who did it! I said he told me that doesn't effect the baby when I first started seeing him. Get a life!!!

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Old 02-02-2013, 11:12 PM   #52
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I never said my OB is the one who did it! I said he told me that doesn't effect the baby when I first started seeing him. Get a life!!!
Oh, well... gee. Should I "get" this life in the land of truth and fact... or the land of embellishment and fiction?
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I planned to have an epi for all 3 of my births. Had and loved them with the first 2, but the 3rd one came too fast (and I really could have used it with him, as he was almost 11 pounds!). After having it both ways, I will definitely be getting an epi next time, if I'm able to. I didn't feel magical or empowered after my natural birth, the way others describe.
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yeah, my last epidural nearly killed me and my son *sigh* No one warned me we could die from it, probably because the chances are small. They're not so small when it happens to you. I make anesthesiologists very nervous now. I've had a few doctors actually physically cringe when I tell them what happened.

I still feel like if that's the way someone wants to go, then they should go for it. It isn't for me anymore, I don't feel like the risk is worth the benefit. I'll take the 20 hours of pain over death, ya know? But I'm already more likely to have another bad reaction so this is a decision I make for *me* and not anyone else.

I guess what I'm getting at is there isn't any way to promise that any intervention (INCLUDING NON-INTERVENTION) won't be harmful. My first epidural was great, it was the second that nearly did me in and there was no warning. But the odds are very small. I think that if having that epidural makes you a happier mama in the long run, then it's worth it.

I think others who want to have a totally natural birth may be looking for a different experience out of birth that doesn't have anything to do with bragging rights (although certainly a small minority do use it to brag). But again, this isn't bad, just *different* and we all have different life experiences that lead us to where we are and to say we can truly put ourselves in someone else's shoes is not genuine. We can't fully judge what we don't intimately know and none of us like being judged, especially when someone doesn't know our full story.

Also I think someone who does 24+ hours of Pit without any pain meds is a rock star cause WOW does pit hurt! They can brag all they want in my book- I couldn't do it.

I got into a minor disagreement yesterday with a friend (who is a decade younger than I am and just had her first child) about this. She's still so sensitive and misreads everything I say about birth because (at my best guess) she has still not come to terms with her experience. I'm sure we can all agree that it would be nice if hospitals, in general, were a little more flexible about how women want to give birth (like say eating) She posted something like "well we don't all want a home birth" and that is never the point. The point is we all want a birth that is respected, however that ends up looking, and we shouldn't have to fight each other or the hospital to get it. I happen to find that having a home birth is better for me because (shocker!) I am very afraid of hospitals now. How could I advice anyone against a hospital birth when they can walk into a hospital and not have their blood pressure shoot through the roof like me? My cardiologist told me I should stay home, because it's that bad, and short of drugging me stupid they can't control it.

OP you know what you're in for, you know what's going to make you happy, and that is truly all that matters. A 100% natural birth definitely has its advantages, but in the end a natural birth and a miserable mama are not a good combination and any benefits will be negated. You have to do what's right for you and only you know what that is.
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I planned to have an epi for all 3 of my births. Had and loved them with the first 2, but the 3rd one came too fast (and I really could have used it with him, as he was almost 11 pounds!). After having it both ways, I will definitely be getting an epi next time, if I'm able to. I didn't feel magical or empowered after my natural birth, the way others describe.
Your story is a perfect example of what I was saying- you didn't want it the way it happened (although I'm sure you're very happy you and he are okay so please don't hear me saying that), but in the end the birth experience doesn't leave the totally joy-filled "magical" taste in your mouth that it might for someone else and that's not weird, because it's your experience and no one else can understand your experience like you can.
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Oh, well... gee. Should I "get" this life in the land of truth and fact... or the land of embellishment and fiction?
I don't care where you get it, but if you contact me again, I'm going to the moderators. You've been harassing me all night, putting words in my mouth, and bringing drama into other forums that have nothing to do with anything.

You're literally starting another debate over something that didn't happen, that I never said happened, and ruining this woman's thread.

I didn't say an epi couldn't kill you, couldn't hurt you, or couldn't go horribly wrong. I said my ob said they don't have an effect on the baby. No miraculous guarantee and no insane story.

Go to hell you insane person, and stop following me around instigating arguments because your life is so sad and pathetic you can't figure out anything else to do other than bothering a woman simply because you've never heard of a condition that she didn't even give you the name of.
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I don't care where you get it, but if you contact me again, I'm going to the moderators.You've been harassing me all night, putting words in my mouth, and bringing drama into other forums that have nothing to do with anything.

You're literally starting another debate over something that didn't happen, that I never said happened, and ruining this woman's thread.

I didn't say an epi couldn't kill you, couldn't hurt you, or couldn't go horribly wrong. I said my ob said they don't have an effect on the baby. No miraculous guarantee and no insane story.

Go to hell you insane person, and stop following me around instigating arguments because your life is so sad and pathetic you can't figure out anything else to do other than bothering a woman simply because you've never heard of a condition that she didn't even give you the name of.
You can contact the mods if you want. By all means, go ahead. I am certaintly not "harassing" you simply by responding to your posts, nor am I putting words into your mouth. I've responded to your nonsense in 2 different threads. Both being threads that I've participated in well before you ever started responding. Did you not come into this thread and say your OB assured you an epidural poses no risks to the baby? You did. Which is, once again, complete bogus information. You are MISINFORMING people left & right. Risk free epidurals, pain free circumcisions.. what's next!? If your doctor told you that, I'm sorry to inform you that you wasted a ton of time driving 5hrs to see this amazing doctor that completely LIED to you.

And obviously I haven't heard of this mystery condition that you won't share. You have no problem trying to convince people of your pain free circumcision that saved your very sick newborn sons life... but you of course won't share what condition he had.... obviously people are going to question that kind of thing considering no one has ever heard of a life threatening foreskin on a newborn baby, let along a doctor performing a circumcision on a brand new baby who was severely ill.

If you're going to run around the boards and post completely false information, expect to be questioned and even corrected.

And when you do contact those mods, expect them to see where you have called multiple ladies "sad," "pathetic," told them to "get a life," "go to hell," etc.... because that is the exact kind of behavior that isn't tolerated.. and you are the only person in all of these conversations that is guilty of such behavior.
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You want to know what my son suffered from? You want to know soooooo bad that you've followed me around like a lost puppy? He suffered from Paraphimosis, you jerk! You all assumed that he was sick because of his condition, but he was sick because he had Jaundice from being born early. On day 7 he was considered old enough because his levels of 17 weren't as dangerous on day 7 as they were on days 3 or 4. On day 7, the doctors noticed his issues before we were discharged, yes I was that crappy of a Mom I never noticed how swollen he was, and had to take care of it immediately because he could have died!!!!

Are you happy? Something that I blame myself for not seeing, something that I could have lost my child over was 100% my fault and I don't like talking about it. That's why I tried to leave it be, I explained the proceedure but you all just kept asking questions and harassing me over it. You all would rather follow me around and bring unwanted drama than just take the hint it's not my favorite subject.

And for the record, I explained that I wanted to be banned. I would love to be banned, but I made sure to let the mods know how YOU are following me around, how another woman followed me into a differet topic, how you all keep on and keep on. I will gladly go for calling you a jerk, pathetic, and everything else that YOU ARE, but I also wanted them to see how bad of a person you are, too.

Now run back and tell all your friends you won, you got it out of me. Then you all can feel like crap for bothering me so much over a condition that does exist and did happen.

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You can contact the mods if you want. By all means, go ahead. I am certaintly not "harassing" you simply by responding to your posts, nor am I putting words into your mouth. I've responded to your nonsense in 2 different threads. Both being threads that I've participated in well before you ever started responding. Did you not come into this thread and say your OB assured you an epidural poses no risks to the baby? You did. Which is, once again, complete bogus information. You are MISINFORMING people left & right. Risk free epidurals, pain free circumcisions.. what's next!? If your doctor told you that, I'm sorry to inform you that you wasted a ton of time driving 5hrs to see this amazing doctor that completely LIED to you.

And obviously I haven't heard of this mystery condition that you won't share. You have no problem trying to convince people of your pain free circumcision that saved your very sick newborn sons life... but you of course won't share what condition he had.... obviously people are going to question that kind of thing considering no one has ever heard of a life threatening foreskin on a newborn baby, let along a doctor performing a circumcision on a brand new baby who was severely ill.

If you're going to run around the boards and post completely false information, expect to be questioned and even corrected.

And when you do contact those mods, expect them to see where you have called multiple ladies "sad," "pathetic," told them to "get a life," "go to hell," etc.... because that is the exact kind of behavior that isn't tolerated.. and you are the only person in all of these conversations that is guilty of such behavior.
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I don't really want a natural birth? I want to want one, but I'd much prefer to go in, get an epi and just sit and relax until it's time to push. I know there can be side effects, I know the reasons natural is better, but I just don't want to go through all that pain. I had a great experience with my epi for my daughter and it makes me want to just do it the easy way again. How do I make myself want a natural birth?
OP, I just want to apologize to you for my last couple posts. I'm sure this isn't how you intended your thread to go. I stand by my original opinion that wanting an epidural definitely doesn't make you a terrible person... it's a personal choice for everyone and a mama who has a medicated labor & delivery is no less than a mama who has a med free labor & delivery.

I know from having 4 epidurals myself that the risks to both mom and baby are normally discussed before the epidural is even placed so surely no one is going to buy into the "there are no risks to baby" bit that's been claimed here... but it still gets to me to see someone claiming such bogus information, so I tend to overreact in an attempt to make it known that simply isn't true.

Anyhow, my apologies, OP.
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You're hopeless. If I was misinformed I'm sorry, my son came out and wasn't "Druggy" or anything like what people claimed, so I believe what he told me. I was never told of any risks before my epi, but I guess that's my fault too. I'm sorry for ever opening my mouth. There are debates all over the interet where Dr's say the same thing he did. I believed him, and if that's horrible to you than so be it. That's what he said. I was a 19 year old kid and believed my Dr. God forgive me.
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OP, I just want to apologize to you for my last couple posts. I'm sure this isn't how you intended your thread to go. I stand by my original opinion that wanting an epidural definitely doesn't make you a terrible person... it's a personal choice for everyone and a mama who has a medicated labor & delivery is no less than a mama who has a med free labor & delivery.

I know from having 4 epidurals myself that the risks to both mom and baby are normally discussed before the epidural is even placed so surely no one is going to buy into the "there are no risks to baby" bit that's been claimed here... but it still gets to me to see someone claiming such bogus information, so I tend to overreact in an attempt to make it known that simply isn't true.

Anyhow, my apologies, OP.
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