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Old 02-18-2013, 08:13 PM   #11
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Re: Seats in Cars, is it safe to install a rear facing one?

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I would not be comfortable at all using a seat like that, and not just because I can't install a car seat on there. That area of a vehicle that does not already have passenger seating is most likely part of the crumple zone, which means in an accident it's going to fold up like an accordion to disperse crash forces. No way would I put my kids in a crumple zone. Not to mention the lack of headrests and proper seat belt bolting to the frame of the car.

OP - only you can weigh the risk/benefit for your family, but for me, I would not be okay using that seat and I would never recommend it.
Yes, the lack of headrests is hugely concerning. In a head-on collision, there is NOTHING to keep your child's head from snapping toward the front of the car and likely injuring the spinal cord (quite possibly in a catastrophic way). And if you choose to disregard the manufacturer's instructions and use a booster with a head rest in that seat, then you are counting on the booster headrest to restrain the head in that situation, which is something that it likely has not been tested to do. There are actually relatively few boosters that allow use without vehicle head support, and even those that do allow it are just tested in forward facing seating positions, which means crash dynamics are going to be far different when used on a rear-facing vehicle seat.

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Old 02-18-2013, 08:34 PM   #12
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I probably won't keep it if the car company can't approve it and no matter what I won't be installing it rear facing period. This was merely me trying to see if anyone knew anything about these type of seats and the rear facing safety aspect. The more dh and I keep looking at it and talking about it the more we are turned off by even trying it. Once I was sent those pictures I got really weirded out. My car does seem to have a spot for a 3rd seat so I am hoping I can get something for back there. The picture is not at all the seat we ordered. Ours has the headrests, the lap belts with the the shoulder part that comes across.

I'm going to try calling the company tomorrow too and ask them more in depth questions. They didn't even ship it out yet thank god. My dh swore up and down they were approved and safe. I didn't do any research into this myself as I really don't understand those aspects of the car and thought he knew what we needed. I guess I'm going to have to try to figure this out so I can make sure what we can do. We did talk about in depth what we needed the seat to be like. On their website they had many other seats installed very nicely and forward facing. I never for a second expected them to tell us to rear face it and dh knew that as well.

Unfortunately this is our only car and will be for a while. When I became pregnant we were fine, in the middle of the pregnancy my dh lost his job. Odds are if baby comes before we can save for another then we won't be going anywhere with everyone at the same time. I'm fine with that if that means the kids are safer.
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PP is correct, car seats of any sort are only permitted on forward facing vehicle seats.

I would also suggest that you reconsider your purchase from a safety standpoint. No matter how many safety tests the company who makes the seats does, there is NO WAY that they can guarantee its safety in your particular vehicle. The vehicle has been crash-tested as-is, without the additional seat. One important concern is that the passengers riding in the seat could very well be in the vehicle's crumple zone - which would be REALLY bad news in an accident.

I understand that not everyone has the funds to go out and buy a new big car. But you are not completely out of options. For one, think about this: how essential is it, really, that all 6 of you fit in one vehicle? If you have only one vehicle in your family then it might be really important, but if you have a second vehicle already, then you can make due without fitting the whole family in one car (though I understand that always taking two vehicles whenever the family goes somewhere together is a pain in the neck!). Another thought would be selling/trading in one of your current vehicles and getting whatever 6+ passenger vehicle you could afford, even if it is a big step down as far as the quality of vehicle you're used to.

I hope this doesn't sound preachy, but I would do just about anything to avoid having my kids ride on one of those "little passenger" extra seats. I just do not trust their safety.

This. Exactly this. You are putting people in a place that the car is not designed for them to be. You can't use a carseat there or a booster. There is no way I would ever put my child on a seat like that. If it wasn't crash tested by the manufacturer, it can't be trusted IMO. Something a couple of guys make in their garage is not the same as something that has been engineered by a major car manufacturer.
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Look at their responses on this photo here. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f..._t=photo_reply

I'm sorry, but I would NOT use it. They are evading questions, giving half answers. If their seats were truly safe, they would have published safety testing results.
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No one mentioned the lap only belts. Its not safe for anyone to sit in one. Thsyre only good for installing car seats on.
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Look at their responses on this photo here. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f..._t=photo_reply

I'm sorry, but I would NOT use it. They are evading questions, giving half answers. If their seats were truly safe, they would have published safety testing results.
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That's not surprising. Lots of CPSTs were questioning/commenting. I have it up on my iPod yet.

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That's not surprising. Lots of CPSTs were questioning/commenting. I have it up on my iPod yet.

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Re: Seats in Cars, is it safe to install a rear facing one?

That company looks really shady. If they cannot have their website working properly, how can they afford to have tested those seats extensively in all the cars that they're supposed to work in? I am very glad to hear that OP is seriously questioning the safety of these seats. Here are the glaring problems I see with them.

The fact that lap only belts are an option*
The lack of head restraints**
The placement of seats in crumple zones
The disregard for the importance and function of booster seats
Their non answers and evasion when asked legitimate safety questions
Their deleting of safety questions from their Facebook page (link above has been removed!)

*lap only belts are not put in cars any more because they're not safe. Like PP said, they're only good for installing harnessed seats.
**head restraints are now put in every seating positon because they are so important.

I really don't see any redeeming qualities of this company or their products.

OP, I hope that you are able to come up with a solution that works for your family to travel in a safe manner.
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They refused to post their safety testing results, but gave this response instead. So if you want their safety testing results, please call this number

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