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Old 08-15-2014, 10:38 PM   #11
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:50 PM   #12
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Yeah the team input so far is no and this is for multiple reasons. First off we only allow direct sales not even auctions. Second we dont feel it appropriate to take money from people not getting an item in return, nor would this be allowed with the paypal system we utalize.

You can list a traditional auction on spots and then link it under the fsot subforum spots/ebay. But on this site only direct sales are allowed.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:14 PM   #13
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You can use paypal to pay like that. People do it through Ella Bella Bum pages all the time. If you guys don't like making a fair chance for everyone to have a rare diaper such as brand new Irwin that's ok. I will just have to take it elsewhere. If you guys are offering a sell swap site you really shouldn't turn ideas away so easy. If you look through a lot of other diaper groups lottos are used a lot. Its a way cheaper root to try and get a really rare diaper and much more fair. If I post an item for an amount and say user A is at work and cant be on the forums and user B post first and says I want it I have to go with first poster. Not very fair to user A. If you say he well I got this diaper I know a lot of people want I will do a lotto for it to make it more fair everyone that could want it would have a fair chance for it. Not everyone can be on all the time.
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So you would rather see people say hey pay 75 dollars for this Irwin diaper. Your giving up like 4 dollars than not having a chance at all to get the diaper. Its a lotto its not like your being made to do it. Do you play your state lotto, way bigger chance of loosing at that and way more money. Like I said it would be a max 50 spots and max 4 spots per person. You could spend 4 dollars and get the diaper. I would not be picking a person random.org would be picking the winner of the diaper. Pretty fair odds when you look at it, a lot of people do 70 spots on them and as many spots as you want, so once again that is stacked in favor of people with a more disposable income.
Yes I would rather someone pay out $75 dollars as that person obviously has the money for that. Considering I know what it is like to have less than $1 in our bank until payday I don't consider $4 a piddling sum of money when you are suggesting this arrangement would help poorer people. I also know what it is like to want something nicer for your child and think it might be worth that $4 investment in hopes of getting the desired item. To me this is like dangling a carrot in front of a rabbit with no real intention of fulfilling that promise as only 1 'investor' can ultimately gain the prize. I find I it distasteful to be honest.

I don't pay my state lotto or any lotto for that matter. I consider it fleecing the people. I also don't gamble at casinos.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:53 PM   #15
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You can use paypal to pay like that. People do it through Ella Bella Bum pages all the time. If you guys don't like making a fair chance for everyone to have a rare diaper such as brand new Irwin that's ok. I will just have to take it elsewhere. If you guys are offering a sell swap site you really shouldn't turn ideas away so easy. If you look through a lot of other diaper groups lottos are used a lot. Its a way cheaper root to try and get a really rare diaper and much more fair. If I post an item for an amount and say user A is at work and cant be on the forums and user B post first and says I want it I have to go with first poster. Not very fair to user A. If you say he well I got this diaper I know a lot of people want I will do a lotto for it to make it more fair everyone that could want it would have a fair chance for it. Not everyone can be on all the time.
They are poop catchers. Around these parts, they are a dime a dozen. I personally own a good 300 poop catchers in various sizes, designs, and brands. I don't consider that to be rare in the least. I don't consider it fair either. I also don't think it cheaper at all. Consider if you have 20 people enter for it. You have a 1 in 20 chance of winning. Now say it takes you 20 lottos to 'win' one. You have invested $4 in each lotto taking your lower number. Take that $4 and multiply it by the number of lottos you have entered. In this scenario that is 20. You have just spent $80 on one not so rare poop catcher. Does that sound cheap to you? If so you might want to check out the Thrifty forum provided in this site.

Now let us say you(the person buying the lotto spots) come to your senses after only 10 lotttos even though you have not 'won' anything. Now you have thrown away $40 and have absolutely nothing to show for it. Not even an over priced poop catcher. $40 for nothing is not cheap either. Come to that I wouldn't consider $40 for one diaper to be cheap.

You sound rather irritated in your post. Is it because in the end it is primarily you the seller who would have benefitted?

Tell you what, post a pic of the 'rare' diaper. I can then print it out, frame it, and then hang it on the wall for my viewing pleasure.

Am I being sarcastic? Absolutely I am. No way do I consider this fair or of any benefit to those on a budget. Serena you can slap my hand if you wish. I'll take it. Might be because I am overtired but like my toddler I am delaying going to bed So maybe tomorrow I will regret this post but right now I do not.

I don't stay on these other diapering sites that offer those kinds of things. Personally I like the way diaperswappers is run. Well, for the most part.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:41 AM   #16
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Well they don't make the BumGenius Irwin anymore and its very sought after it sells for 75 plus all day on ebay. They sell used ones for 40 or more on other sites. So its like anything else that people try for. If you like it. Its still more fair for everyone involved to have a lotto. You dont do auctions, so those people who are on at a given time could get it over someone who is out working at their job that day. I don't care if you have 1 dollar in your account or if you have $1000. My single income is paying for me and my wife who is expecting. I know pay check to pay check. If you have the money great but more than one person could have that money and want said diaper because of what it is. If person A is just online cause person B is at work there is nothing fair about person A getting it over Person B just because they could type me first. The only reason I asked about the Lotto is because what the diaper is and how big of an interest there is for the BumGenius Irwin. You can't tell me a lotto is not the most fair way to give everyone a chance to get it.
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Sorry, we said no and we stand by that. You are welcome to list your items for direct sale, no sales like this will be allowed.
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Old 08-16-2014, 03:03 AM   #18
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Well they don't make the BumGenius Irwin anymore and its very sought after it sells for 75 plus all day on ebay. They sell used ones for 40 or more on other sites. So its like anything else that people try for. If you like it. Its still more fair for everyone involved to have a lotto. You dont do auctions, so those people who are on at a given time could get it over someone who is out working at their job that day. I don't care if you have 1 dollar in your account or if you have $1000. My single income is paying for me and my wife who is expecting. I know pay check to pay check. If you have the money great but more than one person could have that money and want said diaper because of what it is. If person A is just online cause person B is at work there is nothing fair about person A getting it over Person B just because they could type me first. The only reason I asked about the Lotto is because what the diaper is and how big of an interest there is for the BumGenius Irwin. You can't tell me a lotto is not the most fair way to give everyone a chance to get it.
Seriously! Lets be realistic. It is a diaper for heavens sake! As long as you have what is needed to catch your kids poop than it is fair. It is neither fair nor unfair to have an expensive but honestly relatively worthless item. Something given excessive value only because some bored people have more money than they know what to do with. I don't even know what an Irwin looks like, nor do I particularly care. Certainly not even enough to go look it up.

AS for you saying my income or what I have in the bank not mattering wasn't it you who said this would be beneficial to those who don't have a large income? Apparently other people's bank accounts do matter to you.

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I just feel its more fair than auctions because a lot of people are on a budget and can't say oh I will give you 75 dollars for that diaper.
Serena said they decided no Lottos. Personally I think it is a good decision. Nor do I think it was dismissed outright as you accused TPTB of doing. You asked about it. She said she would look into it. She did as she said she would do. It was discussed and decided against for whatever reason. I think there are plenty of excellent reasons for not having them.
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Re: Are lottos allowed

You are welcome to run new ideas by us, but we will not allow people in invest in a chance. If people send money they need to recieve an item in return.

In this scenario you gain 200 dollars for said 75 dollar rare item. And lets say sure the person who wins is happy to get it but they are happy at the expense of others. And that is not fair.

On our fsot board we require listings with fixed prices, they may be negotiable but a price is required. Only one buyer per item. No auctions, no lottos as given in this scenario.

We do have a subforum in our fsot where you can link to outside auctions such as ebay or spots.

You are welcome to list it for the value of the diaper, or offer it super cheap if you want to give someone an awesome deal. In either case with a set price and a single buyer.
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You can use paypal to pay like that. People do it through Ella Bella Bum pages all the time. If you guys don't like making a fair chance for everyone to have a rare diaper such as brand new Irwin that's ok. I will just have to take it elsewhere. If you guys are offering a sell swap site you really shouldn't turn ideas away so easy. If you look through a lot of other diaper groups lottos are used a lot. Its a way cheaper root to try and get a really rare diaper and much more fair. If I post an item for an amount and say user A is at work and cant be on the forums and user B post first and says I want it I have to go with first poster. Not very fair to user A. If you say he well I got this diaper I know a lot of people want I will do a lotto for it to make it more fair everyone that could want it would have a fair chance for it. Not everyone can be on all the time.
I think this is a question of "what kind of community do we want to have". There are other sites where people have found ways to profit from having an in demand brand/print of a diaper, either by auction, or just charging a lot. This is another way to profit from getting far more from a diaper than the retail value is worth, even if you perceive it to be fairer to a buyer. This site seems to shy away from that, I think when I got an FSOT badge I read that one cannot list diapers for above their retail value. I'm guessing the point being that the bottom line is community, not one person looking to profit. Here people help each other out. I might buy a diaper you tried, and didn't work for you, offset the cost, and benefit both of us. But what I DON'T do (on this site) is stalk in demand diapers and try to make a big profit off of them here, not even for charity. This is in the same vein as selling a diaper for more $ than retail, even if the total isn't paid by one person.

Here the word "lotto" means, I'm helping another family out. I'm passing on what I am no longer using, or sometimes even offering a new item to lift up someone else. Or, someone gave me something, and now I am paying forward. All of these support community. All of these things are much, much nicer than "pay me for a chance to win". There are plenty of other places for stuff like that.
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