Reply Hey Mom! Learn more about the Gerber Life Insurance Grow-Up Plan!
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-26-2006, 02:21 PM   #11
jls~Kain~Drake's Avatar
jls~Kain~Drake
Registered Users
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 4,573
My Mood:
Re: Cow milk vs Formula (dunno if this is in the right place)

So what's the deal on all the options after formula/breast milk?

Like, what's wrong with cows milk? How come goats milk is preferred? Can you buy goats milk @ the grocery store or do you have to go somewhere special (natural foods market or something?)? What's rice milk? Almond milk?

Also, do you think his projectile vomitting would be because of his age or do you suppose he'd be lactose intolerant?

I hope this post isn't taken the wrong way, because I really DON'T know anything about all of these.

I don't know where this boys stomach stands....LOL....i don't know what's the deal with him. I know he's got reflux...and he was on zantac many months ago and it seemed to help...then it seemed like it wasn't bothering him...then it seemed like it suddenly got worse...tried the zantac again (new 'script, not old meds) and he was spitting up a lot worse WITH the meds...so i discontinued them again..spitting up continued, but tapered off a little. He hadn't spit up in a couple of days and I gave him some milk today...of which he probably only had about 1 oz...and HOLY COW. And when i say spit up...I mean like vomit, except it's white chunky water...but it's A LOT. And it seems to go on forever. He cries a lot...but he's HN and I think some of it is personality..but I can't help but think he's got issues with something. 2 different peds tell me he's just manipulative..but I don't buy it.

I dunno....I'm thinking he could be gassy....what could I do to minimize gas in a 10mo old? Would those gas drops hurt if taken ona regular basis? Anything natural I can give him?

I dunno...just seems like there is SOMETHING wrong. Last night was a perfect example...he woke up kind of crying (typical), i got him and he laid his head on my shoulder (typical), i heard that refluxy noise and then he let out this blood curdling scream and was struggling for air...after a few minutes, he was asleep again on my shoulder.

Does zantac take awhile to work?

Okay...I went off on a wild tangent here..but...I dunno,I guess I'm venting...thanks for listening!

Advertisement

__________________
Jenelle SAHM to Kain (01/27/04) Drake (08/22/05)
~*55 lbs lost, 25 to go!*~
jls~Kain~Drake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 02:27 PM   #12
weddell's Avatar
weddell
Registered Users
seller
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,008
Re: Cow milk vs Formula (dunno if this is in the right place)

The no cow's milk rule is because babies can't properly digest the proteins and this can irritate their stomachs digestive tracks. The irritation can lead to bleeding in the stomach and then cause anemia. Some will be fine with milk eariler than one and some later. If your baby is throwing up after drinking milk he may have some kind of intolerence to it, either lactose intolerence or an allergy (they aren't the same thing). My dd has a milk allergy (confirmed by a test at her allergists office) and gets hives where dairy touches her and throws up. She doesn't throw up until 30 min-1 hour after ingesting dairy. So milk could be your problem and milk allergies are more common in formula fed babies.
__________________
I knit sweaters and longies (especially sock monkey ones):
Crocheted Cupcake "Baking" sets, playfood, and sock monkey items now available at my etsy store
Mama to Annabel 9/01/05, Ian 10/11/08
weddell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 02:33 PM   #13
weddell's Avatar
weddell
Registered Users
seller
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,008
Re: Cow milk vs Formula (dunno if this is in the right place)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jls~Kain~Drake
So what's the deal on all the options after formula/breast milk?

Like, what's wrong with cows milk? How come goats milk is preferred? Can you buy goats milk @ the grocery store or do you have to go somewhere special (natural foods market or something?)? What's rice milk? Almond milk?

Also, do you think his projectile vomitting would be because of his age or do you suppose he'd be lactose intolerant?

I hope this post isn't taken the wrong way, because I really DON'T know anything about all of these.

I don't know where this boys stomach stands....LOL....i don't know what's the deal with him. I know he's got reflux...and he was on zantac many months ago and it seemed to help...then it seemed like it wasn't bothering him...then it seemed like it suddenly got worse...tried the zantac again (new 'script, not old meds) and he was spitting up a lot worse WITH the meds...so i discontinued them again..spitting up continued, but tapered off a little. He hadn't spit up in a couple of days and I gave him some milk today...of which he probably only had about 1 oz...and HOLY COW. And when i say spit up...I mean like vomit, except it's white chunky water...but it's A LOT. And it seems to go on forever. He cries a lot...but he's HN and I think some of it is personality..but I can't help but think he's got issues with something. 2 different peds tell me he's just manipulative..but I don't buy it.

I dunno....I'm thinking he could be gassy....what could I do to minimize gas in a 10mo old? Would those gas drops hurt if taken ona regular basis? Anything natural I can give him?

I dunno...just seems like there is SOMETHING wrong. Last night was a perfect example...he woke up kind of crying (typical), i got him and he laid his head on my shoulder (typical), i heard that refluxy noise and then he let out this blood curdling scream and was struggling for air...after a few minutes, he was asleep again on my shoulder.

Does zantac take awhile to work?

Okay...I went off on a wild tangent here..but...I dunno,I guess I'm venting...thanks for listening!

Okay, I just read your post and if I were you, I would take him off any milk products until you can figure this out with the help of a doctor. He may be allergic and really hurting. If he is allergic to milk he may also be allergic to certain formulas which could be part of his refulx problem. Even if he doesn't throw up after drinking them, he may be feeling sick because of it.
__________________
I knit sweaters and longies (especially sock monkey ones):
Crocheted Cupcake "Baking" sets, playfood, and sock monkey items now available at my etsy store
Mama to Annabel 9/01/05, Ian 10/11/08
weddell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 02:40 PM   #14
sunshineandlove
Registered Users
seller
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Va
Posts: 271
My Mood:
Re: Cow milk vs Formula (dunno if this is in the right place)

First, If your child has reflux and is having the spit up and the crying, then he should probably be on the Zantac and stay on the Zantac. Reflux can cause damage and therefore pain in the esophogus and throat. When he is doing well it doens't mean he can go off the meds, it means the meds are working. If it got worse when he was off the meds and got really, really bad, it is probably because the reflux was doing some damage to his insides and he was in pain. We took Luke off Zantac for about a year but at 2.5 years he went back on it because of night waking. As soon as he was back on the Zantac he was sleeping all night again so he clearly was having problems.
Second, I would not give any milk at all until you can figure out what his "stomach issues" are. Why complicate the issue? I would figure out what formula works best with the Zantac and then do that for a bit, at least a month.
I would also be discussing all this with a pediatrician who knew me and knew my child and gave me satisfactory answers. I have changed ped.s a few times to make sure my kids are getting the best care possible with this horrible HMO we've got.

Just for myself, I put both my boys on sippys with milk at one year. I don't do bottles after a year and I don't put milk or juice in bottles either. My daughter, born the same month as your son, gets horrific diaper rashes from many different foods and I am wondering what I will do when she turns 1 in two months.
__________________
I'm the Feature Writer for Marriage at Suite 101 http://marriage.suite101.com

Happily cloth diapered 2 babies!
sunshineandlove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 02:40 PM   #15
lovemybabies's Avatar
lovemybabies
Registered Users
seller
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: GA
Posts: 229
My Mood:
Re: Cow milk vs Formula (dunno if this is in the right place)

Jen,

Zantac can take up to 2wks to start working. Hope the reflux stops soon.
__________________
Old DS Feedback--http://www.kikifoxito.com/ds/forum/i...p?topic=2956.0
Nancy, DH-Jeff, DD-Anastacia 6-05, DD-Molly 5-06
Proud WOHM to 2 lwonderful girls and a new little bean due Jan 2, 2013.
lovemybabies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 02:42 PM   #16
MyLil'Mountaineers's Avatar
MyLil'Mountaineers
Registered Users
Formerly: my2sons
seller
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 3,539
Re: Cow milk vs Formula (dunno if this is in the right place)

Both of my boys were on Alimentum for milk allergies. I switched my oldest at 11 mos to Soy milk and then at 16 months to cow's milk. He has had all types of digestive problems. The biggest problem he has is super constipation. It seems to really act up when he has had a lot of diary. The ped was dragging her feet about it and just giving him a stool softener everytime he had a flare up. So, I did some reading. I found out that the number of babies and toddlers showing signs of milk protein allergies has dramatically increased in the last several years. I brought this info to my ped and he has since been diagnosed with a milk/soy-protein allergy.

I have decreased the amount of dairy he gets and when he gets it, it's organic. I get a lot of flack from certain members of my family but he is now pooing regularly and without meds!!!

I would do what feels best to you. If you don't want to stop giving him formula.....don't!! YOU are the one that spend all of the time with them not the peds and "experts". How do they know when is the best time to make major changes in your son's life?!! Sometimes we feel like our kids are loaned to us and we HAVE to follow all of the instructions we are given. But they are our children and we know what's best for them!!

Good luck!!
__________________
~Amanda~ Proud Wife to my Army Veteran and Mama to: Kevin , ~Jordan~, Ryan David, Gwendolyn , and Kathleen
Need Crocheted diaper covers? View my examples here.
MyLil'Mountaineers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 02:50 PM   #17
jls~Kain~Drake's Avatar
jls~Kain~Drake
Registered Users
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 4,573
My Mood:
Re: Cow milk vs Formula (dunno if this is in the right place)

The first time the meds helped him, the 2nd time it seemed like meds made it worse. I was only giving him little bits sporatically, but I'm going to stop the cow milk altogether (was doing it to transition him easier because of the 1 yr rule...but now that i know it'snot that big of a deal..).....and i'll start the zantac again and hopefully we can figure something out. I need to switch peds because the ones at our office don't listen. 1st ped said that he was sure reflux wasn't the issue and only reluctantly gave us meds again. Like I said before, the ped said that he's just manipulating me.... I'm confidant something is wrong.

Thank you everyone for your insight!
__________________
Jenelle SAHM to Kain (01/27/04) Drake (08/22/05)
~*55 lbs lost, 25 to go!*~

Last edited by jls~Kain~Drake; 06-26-2006 at 02:53 PM.
jls~Kain~Drake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 03:07 PM   #18
myajdw's Avatar
myajdw
why do you insist on grating my cheese...my kids already do that
seller
seller
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 10,887
My Mood:
Re: Cow milk vs Formula (dunno if this is in the right place)

to answer a few of your ?'s goats milk, rice milk, and almond milk can ALL be purchased at a regular grocery store or walmart for that matter. i was told at the WIC office that rice milk has no nutritional value but i don't believe that. anyhow goats milk is VERY good for you and baby, there's something much different and more pure about it...i personally don't know all the details but i do know it's much healthier.
it does sound like your poor ds does have either a allergy or intolerence. what kind of formula is he on though? my ds1 we had switched to soy formula before the nutramigen and he seemed fine for about a month and then it suddenly became obvious he had an allergy to that as well. so these things can just sneak up on ya! wic wasn't really any help through all of that. they convinced me to feed him yogurt telling me that just b/c he was allergic to milk didn't mean he couldn't have yogurt and that i should be giving him yogurt...wouldn't you know he projected that right back at me! wic refused to believe it though, although they gave me all kinds of hell about the nutramigen and everything else as well. i do know some offices are better than others b/c i did a couple years later have a wonderful wic tech at a great office that actually listened.
anyhow...yes stay away from dairy and if you feel the absolute need to change him try rice or goats milk...i personally would try rice first. but that's just based off my experience with my sensitive tummied ds1. he's not even a year though...i wouldn't rush his tummy.
__________________
~*Lacey*~Wahm behind Ilori Knits IloriKnits FB Wahm Thread

Mom to 4 boys~AJ~Dustin~Brighton~Tristan~ & 1 Angel Baby Ilori
& our 1 girly Baker, 8/13
myajdw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 03:29 PM   #19
masonite's Avatar
masonite
Whip Crackin Wagon Driver!
seller
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,646
My Mood:
Re: Cow milk vs Formula

Just as an FYI. About 50% of kids that have allergies (allergic or just sensitive) to milk will also be sensitive to Soy proteins.

My son is one of those! We knew of his milk allergy, and at 15 months the Peds GI had us start giving him Soy milk. He has had severe reactions to that, and we are re-evaluating all of his food/milk intake.

I would definitely have your son be seen by a doctor if not a GI specialist (if possible). They can help guide you in the right direction.

Goats milk is a good option, that most kids with milk and soy allergies can have. You can find it in the regular grocery store, right by the regular milk and soy milk.

Good luck!
__________________
AL.
masonite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2006, 03:37 PM   #20
jls~Kain~Drake's Avatar
jls~Kain~Drake
Registered Users
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 4,573
My Mood:
Re: Cow milk vs Formula

Thank you I've tried talking with the ped and they gave me the 3rd degree about how milk allergies/intolerance is incredibly rare and that's probably not his problem.

And during 1 appt...the ped very rudely recounted the past couple of appts (and their reason) and asked, "So what disease do you think he has?"

Grrr...def. need a new ped by his next appt. And I think most specialists around here require a referral, even if my insurance doesn't.
__________________
Jenelle SAHM to Kain (01/27/04) Drake (08/22/05)
~*55 lbs lost, 25 to go!*~
jls~Kain~Drake is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Copyright 2005 - 2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.