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Old 12-07-2007, 11:41 PM   #1
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Question for Moms eliminate foods....

I started cutting out dairy at 3 weeks, then 2 weeks later after not much of an improvement he developed a rash cut out soy....his rash got better, but still fussy and having mucousy stools. Then I started to notice he was really bad the morning after I had eaten steak and hamburgers, so I cut out beef. Well he is still pretty fussy, spits up A LOT and sometimes large amounts, still has mucousy diapers (although they are better).....we did start him on Zantac a few days ago, but I would assume the reflux is triggered by the foods was the same with my first son.

Soooo my question....do I keep everything I have cut out when I want to try something else. My next thing is going to be eggs, my niece has an egg allergy and at 2 still has it pretty bad. I don't know the only thing I really noticed a big difference in was the rash that went away after I cut out all soy. I wasn't eating hardly any dairy, because my first has issues and is finally outgrowing it at 2 1/2, so I was staying away from everything but hidden dairy. I would guess I should wait until his gut has healed to try anything I have already cut out, even if I didn't notice a difference??

Is egg the next thing I should cut out?? Should I do the total elimination diet?? I know a couple moms in my bfing group do a food diary, and I really need to start doing that. He isn't miserable ALL day or anything....he really is just hard to console after he nurses and can get fussy in the evenings, but nothing terribly bad.....but my first cried 24/7 so anything is better . Just looking for advice and support from moms who have BTDT.

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Old 12-08-2007, 07:08 AM   #2
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Re: Question for Moms eliminate foods....

Honestly, I'd get rid of the hidden dairy before you take any more steps. Makes a difference for a lot of babes.

Definitely do the food diary.

If he's not miserable, I'd play around more before going to a TED, which really isn't any fun. I also had the crying 24/7 allergy and reflux baby so I understand what you went through with your first..

Mucous can take a very long time to clear. We finally got all of Caroline's allergies fixed after months of a TED around 6 or 7 months and it took another 2 or 3 months for the mucous to totally clear. We noticed it getting better a tiny bit relatively quickly but it still took a long time. She was exposed for longer than your son, so it shouldn't take THAT long, but don't expect that to go away overnight when you figure out the problem.

To answer the initial question, if you saw ANY results whatsoever, I would keep it out. If you're wanting to potentially save yourself trouble later, I'd keep those foods out either way until you hit baseline and then you can trial them.
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Old 12-08-2007, 07:10 AM   #3
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Re: Question for Moms eliminate foods....

Oh, and allergies are really a big allergic lottery -- meaning it is allergic tendency that is inherited, not specific allergies. A kid with a parent with a peanut allergy could have a peanut allergy but he could also have a milk allergy, asthma, or environmental allergy -- none any more genetically predisposed than the others.

Basically, your son is not any more likely to be allergic to egg than he is any other top allergen (well, that is as likely in the general population as egg, if you get what I mean), so don't choose specific allergens based on family history, choose them based on likelyhood in general -- egg being high of course, but I might choose wheat or something first, personally.
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Re: Question for Moms eliminate foods....

Thanks for your advice!! I have been off all dairy, even hidden, since he was 3 weeks. Before then I was only eating hidden dairy. I have decided to try no eggs....and see if I see a difference. I am going to start a food diary also, I started today actually.

My SIL and I were talking yesterday, at what age can you do allergy skin testing?? I know my ds is WAY too young, I was just curious. Plus when we did it my ds1, he didn't react to milk and he obviously had issues with it...but would be good to know if there is any true allergies.

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Re: Question for Moms eliminate foods....

Well, it depends if we're talking allergies or intolerances. The mucousy and GI stuff makes me think it would technically be an intolerance, which is what my daughter has -- non-IgE reactions. Unfortunately, the skin and blood testing is for IgE, not IGG. Caroline tested negative to everything we tested her for with both, but definitely reacts via the GI tract. Not at all uncommon, so the testing isn't really all that practical for GI kids most of the time. Sometimes patch testing works for them.

You'll hear a lot of different opinions on what age skin and blood testing is worthwhile. The best results are 2 or 3+, but our allergist was willing to test at 6 months. Again, it ended up being pointless, but I wanted to answer your original question.

If you've been off hidden dairy, eggs aren't a bad choice. Hope it solves the problem!
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Re: Question for Moms eliminate foods....

My son was six weeks early so I think that his poor little system was very sensitive. He had the reflux and during the first month he started pooping bloody stools (talk about freaky).

They had my go off dairy - but the gastro. doctor said that it can take a long time (like weeks for the dairy to actually clear your system). So be patient with it - it could still actually be the dairy.

Long story - but the medicine helped the reflux, and I was off dairy until 11 months old when I started weaning him (basically because I couldn't live any longer without the dairy - I would not make a good vegan).

So now to try him back on dairy - the specialists are having me do one teaspoon of whole milk in each bottle (breastmilk or formula) for ten days. They say that if he tolerates this (which he has for the last week no problems) he gets to start on dairy.

Kinda interesting - but I wouldn't have known all the things I should have done without talking with a specialist. I recommend this or at least a doctor that can consult with one. I would have never occurred to me to do the teaspoon of milk ( I was pretty scared to even try it).

Good luck with the allergies. My husband has a sensitivity to milk (go figure!)
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Re: Question for Moms eliminate foods....

I really hope your doing this under a Dr.'s advice esp. giving Zantac. Any way with ds#2 I had to cut out dairy, and veggie's. He was very colicy and gasy. The rash may also be related to his enviroment, and not nessesarly his diet. Might look into that. The egg is a good idea though.
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I really hope your doing this under a Dr.'s advice esp. giving Zantac. Any way with ds#2 I had to cut out dairy, and veggie's. He was very colicy and gasy. The rash may also be related to his enviroment, and not nessesarly his diet. Might look into that. The egg is a good idea though.
Doing what under a doctors advice?? Eliminating foods from my diet?? Obviously Zantac is a prescription and we are following the doctors prescription. We are actually working with a doctor at a breastfeeding clinic who is a breastfeeding specialist for the food allergy issue.....mucousy stools, lots of spitting up, and a family history of food allergies makes us think this is a food issue and not enviromental...although my ds1 has bad enviromental allergies also, so that very well could be with him too.
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Re: Question for Moms eliminate foods....

Honestly, most doctors don't know all that much about breastfeeding an allergic child, even some allergists. I took Caroline to a well recommended local allergist and he told me celiacs can't eat rice, because all grains contain gluten. Uhm, okay.. after her skin tests were negative, he told me she wasn't sensitive to food at all. Thankfully, our GI was better, though he still advised me to go to prescription formula because he thought what I was doing (TED) was just too much and too difficult. When we went back for our repeat visit and he saw the huge list of foods she reacts to, he told me he was so glad I didn't wean her. Gee, thanks.

He's a little young to be reacting to environmental things -- generally seasonal type allergies take at least one year+ to show because the child has to be sensitized to it for one season, if that makes sense.
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Old 12-09-2007, 07:17 PM   #10
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Re: Question for Moms eliminate foods....

I agree when we took our ds1 to an allergist, he was NOT helpful at all. He told us well obviously your son isn't truly allergic to milk so go ahead and give it to him . We never went back to him. Our GI was much more informed. We are lucky we have a non-profit breastfeeding support center here that is run by a MD who is a "breastfeeding specialist", she is a lot more informed then most doctors. They also have a food allergy support group that meets twice a month, I feel so lucky to have this place as a resource.

That makes sense about enviromental allergies....my son was born in June and the next spring started showing signs of enviromental allergies had the puffy eyes and our doctor then said it was early for him to show signs. We haven't had him tested yet, I want to wait probably until this spring when he is closer to 3.

You so devoted to keep nursing your baby. I know I would no matter what, but it's still hard sometimes. I was just dairy and soy free with my first and now doing the extra eggs and beef makes it harder....but I know other Moms give up much more. Do you take a multivitamin?? Our regular doctor told me to stop my pretnatal because that might be bothering him. I think I should take something though.
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