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Old 06-04-2008, 08:53 PM   #11
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Re: milk or formula.....wwyd?

For all I see goat's milk mentioned in these parts, it really isn't a good option.

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Using goat's milk before 6 months or regular use between 6 and 12 months is not recommended. Goat's milk is no more appropriate to give baby than cow's milk. If you need to supplement and breastmilk is not available, formulas are a more nutritionally complete product. There are several comparisons of goat vs. cow vs. human milk in the links below. Using this information, goat milk is much closer in composition to cow milk than human milk. Goat's milk is high in sodium (like cow's milk) and is very high in chloride and potassium, which makes the renal solute load too high for babies. This can cause gastrointestinal bleeding and can result in anemia and poor growth (these problems are usually undetected until months later). Goat milk is also deficient in folic acid, which can lead to megaloblastic anemia. Also, infants who are allergic to cow's milk protein are often allergic to goat's milk too.

While it's true that whole goats milk (and whole cow's milk) was commonly used prior to the advent of infant formulas it is also true that the infant mortality and morbidity rate during the times of such substitutions was very high.
Formula is the nutritionally appropriate alternative when breastmilk is not available.

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Old 06-04-2008, 08:59 PM   #12
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I agree no goats milk. Formula would be fine, but 8 oz is a HUGE amount for any baby. Even my dd who was ff never took an 8 oz bottle...
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I agree no goats milk. Formula would be fine, but 8 oz is a HUGE amount for any baby. Even my dd who was ff never took an 8 oz bottle...
Really? My DS1 took 8oz of formula from 8 weeks on. DS2 takes 6oz of BM on the rare occasion he gets a bottle.
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Re: milk or formula.....wwyd?

I agree. No cow's milk or goats milk. That's for cows and goats. Formula has been altered to be more nutritious than that for an infant. 8 1/2 months of no formula is an awesome run. Besides, like you said, in 3 1/2 months he'll be drinking cow's milk, too, so that's not totally horrible that you use formula. I'd definitely use formula if I were you. That's your best bet for your child's health.
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I also agree no goats milk and no cows milk.
Formula would be the next alternative.

My question, does Dh want to do the bottle every day or do you need the time in the evening, or what?

I am not trying to pry just wondering if the night bottle is stressign you because you ahve to pump so much just to do it, why not just nurse that feeding and let Dh do something else in the evening to help with the baby.

Maybe I didn't understand the question.
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Really? My DS1 took 8oz of formula from 8 weeks on. DS2 takes 6oz of BM on the rare occasion he gets a bottle.
Yeah really. Neither did any of my friends' babies. We were actually discussing this the other day. None of them ever took more than 6 at a time!
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Yeah really. Neither did any of my friends' babies. We were actually discussing this the other day. None of them ever took more than 6 at a time!

Ditto here. With ods I was lucky if he ever drank more than 2oz at a time. He made up for it at night though. lol!

With my youngest, before we moved and he still willingly took a bottle, he never drank more than three oz in a sitting except on very rare occasions. Their stomachs are really very tiny.
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I also agree no goats milk and no cows milk.
Formula would be the next alternative.

My question, does Dh want to do the bottle every day or do you need the time in the evening, or what?

I am not trying to pry just wondering if the night bottle is stressign you because you ahve to pump so much just to do it, why not just nurse that feeding and let Dh do something else in the evening to help with the baby.

Maybe I didn't understand the question.

I've tried bf ds on many occasions at night and I can't satisfy his bedtime hunger.....i'm talking 2 hours of continuous eating and then up periodically through the night.....or give an bottle that he finishes in about 20 min and he's out for 12 hours. I started with 5 oz then 6 oz and he moved up to 7 about 2 months ago and now he won't go to bed unless it's 8 oz of milk.......so that's another reason I was having problems keeping up.....my supply would increase a bit (I think) and then he'd want more.....so on that note.....because I can't satisfy him at night, having hubby feed the bottle has given my my alone time, to do what I want (in addition to pumping of course) that's my diaper swapper time....I refuse to give it up!! lol

I was pumping in the am while having him feed on other side.....but with only 5 hours sleep all I wanna do lately is bring him to bed and try to get a few more winks in!!
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Why 8oz? Most bf babies don't need to take in more than 4oz at a time even at 8.5 mos. See kellymom.com for more info.

Pumping in the a.m. is your best bet (you can hook up one boob and feed with the other, this has the added bene of extra bb stimulation for milk production). You can always combine bm with formula. I wouldn't give milk just yet. Honestly, I'd give him smaller amounts of bm and see how he does.
I agree 4 oz of BM should be plenty. A baby would rarely if ever, suck out 8oz during a breastfeeding. Babies will routinely drink more from a bottle than needed. Hence part of why FF babies drink more ounces. At least that is what LLL told me, as well as a few doctors.

I understand you think you cant satisfy him with nursing at night, but I really dont think he needs 8oz. Most babies dont sleep through the night at 8.5 months.
What did his doctor say about needing 8oz?
Maybe ask his pedi's recommendation.

I just want to say, good for you for pumping so much. your dedication is commendable. I had to exclusively pump for a few months when we went though horrendous nursing strikes and went to every specialist in the area. Pumping takes so much time.
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I agree 4 oz of BM should be plenty. A baby would rarely if ever suck out 8oz during a breastfeeding. Babies will routinely drink more from a bottle than needed. Hence part of why FF babies drink more ounces. At least that what LLL told me, as well as a few doctors.

I can't not give him that amount now or he won't go to sleep and if I try to bf he will litterally want to suck from 7-9 and then he'll get up all night to feed....so I still get no sleep and I'll have to deal with a cranky baby and that's still not gonna help with my original problem of not pumping enough.
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