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Old 01-25-2013, 05:42 PM   #11
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:56 PM   #12
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Hi mamas,

I don't want to scare anyone, but in my research to try to find an acceptable organic formula without toxic chemicals or gmos, i was looking into the option of making my own, either goat's milk or other. And i came across this link that says the weston price suggestions may be dangerous. Anyone have any thoughts? I came on this forum to look for more suggestions, not trying to go around debunk anyone, but since i found this information (not saying this link is 100% accurate either, who knows who is right?) but in the interest of all you mamas who love yr little ones as much as i, just wanted to throw it out there, food for thought.

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/0...oundation.html

Anyway, haven't got far in my search except to narrow it down to Baby's Only or Earth's Best, or possibly Holle from Germany and even inquired into one from Switzerland that Amazon reviewers recommended. Baby's Only scares me in that it's primary ingredient, brown rice syrup had been linked to arsenic. Earth's best seems to have ingredients that may be GMO derived. And even Holle too. Then there's the concern about the added DHA/ARA which in most formulas is from a company called Martek and whose process uses hexane...inconclusive to me whether or not trace amts of hexane remain in the formula (i've read both pro and con arguments) - not a concern for Baby's only though. And for all of these, what about the BPA in packaging leaching into the formula? The EWG did an excellent executive summary about this and conclude powder is at least safer than the liquid formulas in regards to BPA leaching. Aaaagh!

Let's see, what's the least of the evils? Arsenic? Hexane? Bpa? GMOs? I mean come on, this is supposed to be Safe for Babies!! Even Organic companies are culpable. Sigh.

Help! Anyone have any suggestions?
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Hi mamas,

I don't want to scare anyone, but in my research to try to find an acceptable organic formula without toxic chemicals or gmos, i was looking into the option of making my own, either goat's milk or other. And i came across this link that says the weston price suggestions may be dangerous. Anyone have any thoughts? I came on this forum to look for more suggestions, not trying to go around debunk anyone, but since i found this information (not saying this link is 100% accurate either, who knows who is right?) but in the interest of all you mamas who love yr little ones as much as i, just wanted to throw it out there, food for thought.

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/0...oundation.html

Anyway, haven't got far in my search except to narrow it down to Baby's Only or Earth's Best, or possibly Holle from Germany and even inquired into one from Switzerland that Amazon reviewers recommended. Baby's Only scares me in that it's primary ingredient, brown rice syrup had been linked to arsenic. Earth's best seems to have ingredients that may be GMO derived. And even Holle too. Then there's the concern about the added DHA/ARA which in most formulas is from a company called Martek and whose process uses hexane...inconclusive to me whether or not trace amts of hexane remain in the formula (i've read both pro and con arguments) - not a concern for Baby's only though. And for all of these, what about the BPA in packaging leaching into the formula? The EWG did an excellent executive summary about this and conclude powder is at least safer than the liquid formulas in regards to BPA leaching. Aaaagh!

Let's see, what's the least of the evils? Arsenic? Hexane? Bpa? GMOs? I mean come on, this is supposed to be Safe for Babies!! Even Organic companies are culpable. Sigh.

Help! Anyone have any suggestions?

Veg source?? Bias right there. That article does a good job of twisting what WAPF says.

Here are some issues:

"Poached brains of animals should be added to other ground meats for better nutrition" Brain is VERY healthy. not that i would eat it, but it is incredibly nutritious.

"Raw cows milk and meat broth should be fed to newborns who don't breast feed, rather than infant formula." So misleading. First, WAPF advocates extended BFing. They also advocate baby led weaning and not feeding solids early on. http://www.westonaprice.org/children...luZmFudCdzIjt9

Raw cow's milk is used IN an infant formula they designed, and pasteurized milk that is cultured can be used instead of raw milk. People are not just feeding their kid's raw milk alone, that would not provide adequate nutrition, though many children have survived and thrived on raw milk alone around the world.

The homemade formula for cow's milk and goat's milk meet the FDA's nutritional requirements for infant formula. The values were almost identical to the organic formula that I was using before (Organic Parent's Choice.)

"Regular ingestion of clay (Azolimite Mineral Powder) because the clay particles remove pathogens from the body." If you search "Azolimite Mineral Powder" on the WAPF site, nothing comes up at all. What does come up is azomite clay, and the fact that Fuhrman doesn't know anything about the clays tells me he is in no position to discuss the clays. there are food grade clays, such as food grade bentonite clay that do detox the body and are used by naturopaths for that purpose. Azomite clay is just a brand name for bentonite clay mined in Utah. However, the benefit from ingesting small amounts of the clay comes from their mineral content.

http://www.westonaprice.org/vitamins...Y2xheXMiO30%3D

"There are benefits of feeding sea salt to infants and babies" If you search "sea salt infant" on the WAPF site, there is only one article where sea salt is mentioned in reference to feeding infants, and that is the article I posted above (i'll put the link here again.) All it says is adding a pinch of sea salt to egg yolks for an infant over 4 months old.... it doesn't say anything about there being benefits to it either.

"Fruits and vegetables should be limited in children's diets." they definitely do not make this claim. In fact, if you look at article i posted above again, they mention fruits and veggies as some of baby's first foods. actually nowhere on there site do they mention limiting fruits and veggies. they actually mention increasing their intake and lowering processed sugar intake with natural sugars....

". But contrary to a plethora of scientific studies indicating that breast milk should be the only food for the first six months, " No, they don't say that. They say infants should be breastfed for at least 6 months, but ideally at least a year. again, see the Nourishing A Growing Baby article.

"What does WAPF recommend?
One WAPF baby formula mixes cow's milk with heavy cream and other oils, while another is made from cow's liver, beef broth, whey powder, and various oils." No. They recommend breastfeeding for at least six months, but ideally at least a year. The formula is in the case that breastfeeding doesn't happen. Yes it mixes cow's milk with oils. So do most commercial formulas... And none of the formulas include whey powder, they specifically say not to use whey powder and to use fresh homemade whey. Whey is an ingredient in most, if not all, commercial formulas.

"Infants fed cow's milk instead of breast milk or formula do not get sufficient iron, vitamin C, linoleic acid, or vitamin E, and take in excessive amounts of sodium, potassium, and protein, which can lead to dehydration and kidney damage. " This is true. If you're feeding your child cow's milk instead of breast milk or formula. The recipe is for formula and nobody is suggesting that feeding your baby cow's milk alone is safe or advisable.

" For many years, the American Academy of Pediatricians has warned against the use of any whole cow's milk during the first year of life after it was found that infants given cow's milk developed iron deficiency and occult (silent) bleeding of the digestive tract." all of the studies I have seen regarding anemia as a result of enteric bleeding have associated enteric bleeding with feeding of whole cow's milk instead of breast milk or formula, and not with iron supplemented formulas. Some have suggested that this is a result of intact milk proteins, but most infant formulas do contain intact milk proteins. Others have suggested this is a result of the low iron content of whole cow's milk and cow's milk sensitivities. Most commercial formulas use cow's milk, it is usually the first ingredient. The WAPF formula is an iron supplemented formula. Sources of iron include nutritional yeast, coconut oil, and acerola powder which increases iron absorption. Again, the formula does meet FDA nutritional requirements for infant formula.

"The Weston A. Price website states that "people with high cholesterol
live the longest," and that it is a myth " Fuhrman makes no differentiation between the types of cholesterol. Here is an article by WAPF on cholesterol. http://www.westonaprice.org/cardiova...xlc3Rlcm9sIjt9 Read the research from both sides. The documentary Fat Head actually has an interesting take on this, even using the most unhealthy diet of all.

"Dr. Mercola claims that consuming pasteurized milk (instead of raw milk) causes autism, and that coconut oil kills viruses." I don't think I've ever seen him say that pasteurized milk causes autism... and coconut oil is antiviral, and not just according the WAPF and Mercola.

"Keep in mind, I am not arguing that a person who eats no animal products (a vegan) will be healthier or will lead a longer life than one who eats small amounts of animal products (such as a small amount of fish or eggs)." I DO agree with this. The fact is that the longest living cultures, such as the Okinawans, consume little meat. But they consume it.



At least Fuhrman is being honest about the potential nutritional issues involved with veganism.

I will say that I do not agree with everything, or even a lot of things that WAPF promotes. I do believe that we consume too much meat in this country. But I also believe that Dr. Fuhrman took a very dishonest and inaccurate approach in attempting to debunk WAPF... and this was all just a big ol sales pitch:

"I advocate a diet rich in micronutrients, especially antioxidants and phytochemicals, and the largest percentage of everyone's diet must be from unrefined plant foods-no matter what your genetic "type."
In order to do this, you must understand the nutrient density of all foods and eat more foods higher on the nutrient density scale. (Animal products are very low in nutrient density.) This nutrient per calorie density principle is what my book Eat to Live is about."

Ah, Dr. Fuhrman. At the end of your highly questionable rant, you say suggest that we should learn about nutrition from YOUR book... you know, the book we would have to buy, thus putting money in your wallet. He, like most health "gurus" is just trying to turn a profit.

and at the end of the day, their cow's and goat's milk infant formula recipes are very similar to the ingredients in commercial formulas and they do meet the FDA's nutritional requirements. There is nothing Dr. Fuhrman can say to debunk those facts.

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Old 02-05-2013, 11:59 AM   #15
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Re: An alternative to store bought formula!

Thanks for the very thorough reply. To be quite honest, I did not fact-check or go any further after reading Fuhrman's article to verify His claims, only because - my time was up. 2 little ones, i get limited time on the pc. So i'd been researching in spurts, not always best, and a good way to lose train of thought. Further, I actually did not read the entire thing, since i was focusing on formula, so i just read the top part and not the other sections. Had i read to the end as you did, i to would've grown very suspicious to see him touting his book...and I want to apologize for even posting my previous post in case it caused any other mamma to hesitate in the pursuit of making their own formula. I guess once i read the part where he lists the "irresponsible and potentially dangerous" ideas the WAPF touts, and stuff like "permanent brain damage can occur from the feeding of whole cow's milk to babies..." I turned off to the whole idea.

So since i really don't have it in me to make my own formula (at least i'm cloth-diapering and i'm even catching flack for that, in that hubby & mom thinks it's taking up too much of my time) i'm curious - what DO you think of Babie's Only? Assuming arsenic is in fact, not a concern? Here's a link to the ingredients list: http://naturesonedirect.com/organic-...rmula.html#105

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Thanks for the very thorough reply. To be quite honest, I did not fact-check or go any further after reading Fuhrman's article to verify His claims, only because - my time was up. 2 little ones, i get limited time on the pc. So i'd been researching in spurts, not always best, and a good way to lose train of thought. Further, I actually did not read the entire thing, since i was focusing on formula, so i just read the top part and not the other sections. Had i read to the end as you did, i to would've grown very suspicious to see him touting his book...and I want to apologize for even posting my previous post in case it caused any other mamma to hesitate in the pursuit of making their own formula. I guess once i read the part where he lists the "irresponsible and potentially dangerous" ideas the WAPF touts, and stuff like "permanent brain damage can occur from the feeding of whole cow's milk to babies..." I turned off to the whole idea.

So since i really don't have it in me to make my own formula (at least i'm cloth-diapering and i'm even catching flack for that, in that hubby & mom thinks it's taking up too much of my time) i'm curious - what DO you think of Babie's Only? Assuming arsenic is in fact, not a concern? Here's a link to the ingredients list: http://naturesonedirect.com/organic-...rmula.html#105

Thanks!
Lol my LO goes to be early, so I get some free time at night. I totally get what you mean, and although brain damage can occur from infants fed whole cow's milk, that's because they are being fed ONLY cow's milk. Although I don't agree with everything WAPF recommends, I can't agree with what Dr. Fuhrman did, you know?

For me, I like making my own formula. I know exactly where my ingredients are coming from, I can guarantee it's not in BPA containers (I stored it in glass,) I know how it was handled and that there won't be any weird contamination issues. However, if I didn't want to make my own or I couldn't make my own, I don't think I would use Baby's Only, even if the arsenic issue had never occurred. I don't like that sugar is the first ingredient. Which is what these syrups are. I think it's too much sugar for a baby. yes, they require a lot of carbs, but the sugar content seems high to me. My other issue is the lack of whey in the formula. Whey is added to try to bring the whey-casein ratio of cow's milk closer to that of human milk. Nature's One claims that the difference in the whey-casein ratio doesn't cause adverse health effects, but several countries do mandate adding whey to infant formulas to bring the ratio closer to that of human milk. I personally would prefer that there be whey in the formula because I want it to be as close to breast milk as possible. Having such a different whey-casein ratio forms more curds in the stomach and those are hard to digest. i've heard of many babies becoming constipated while eating Baby's Only, and this is likely the reason.

Baby's Only doesn't contain additional lactose. Human milk has more lactose than cow's milk, so they should be adding lactose to the formula, in my opinion. Baby's Only also contains two soy ingredients. While most, if not all commercial formulas contain soy, I prefer to minimize exposure to soy as much as possible because of it's estrogen mimicking properties.

And finally, unless you purchase the DHA version of Baby's Only, your baby will not be getting DHA. DHA comes from animal products or algal oils. Unless you are using an algal oil, you need to use some kind of animal product to provide DHA. Cow's milk alone does not provide very much DHA at all and is not sufficient. The human body is not very efficient at converting ALA to DHA. very little ALA ever becomes DHA.


Although other formulas do contain Martek's DHA, which may or may not be GM and may or may not be extracted with hexane, the DHA portion of the formula accounts for a very tiny amount of the ingredients, less than one percent. Considering the other issues I have with Baby's Only are much more nutritionally significant, I would not recommend Baby's Only.

The formula I used before I learned about homemade formula was Parent's Choice Organic from Walmart. Parent's Choice is made by the same company as Earth's Best and is basically the generic version. Their parent company is called PBM. It costs half as much as Earth's Best. You can see their ingredients at these sites:

Earth's Best: http://www.earthsbest.com/products/product/2392310040
Parent's Choice Organic: http://www.parentschoicemedical.com/...ngredient.aspx
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Re: An alternative to store bought formula!

That's a great tip about Parent's Choice, i will look into that now. I did check yr link to WAPF recipes to make your own...and yeah, no, i'm not, just Not going to do that. Wouldn't even know where to begin to get some of the ingredients. Wish i were a better person - props to all you mammas who do.

You make a persuasive case against Baby's Only. I've been on the fence about them anyway so at least you've helped me to knock them off the list. So if that only leaves Earth's Best or Similac Organic, and you're saying Parent's choice is generic for Earth's best and at half the price...I have a new trail to follow...

Thanks a lot!
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oh, and you're right about Baby's Only and constipation...i've come across several comments from people who say they've experienced that with their infants on Baby's Only. But, i would've thought that is because of the rice syrup?? Or is that not as binding as whole rice is (remember the BRAT diet to help for diarrhea, Bananas, Rice, Applesauce & Toast)?
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You're obviously up on yr formulas and ingredients, do you mind if i pick your brain with one more thing? I checked the links and compared, it's clear that Parent's Choice is very much like the Earth's Best Organic except that it uses corn syrup where EB has glucose syrup. (for some reason though the Parent's Choice, states it's the National Brand Equivalent to Similac Organic). Well, I looked up Similac Organic to compare ingredients...and its first ingredient is organic Nonfat milk http://abbottnutrition.com/Products/...dvance-organic
as opposed to the whey ingredients the other two listed. The Similac O. doesn't seem to have whey, which as you explained above, wd go a long way to making it more like breast milk and is imp. However, wouldn't you consider the milk component more important in a formula??
But here's the thing, for the heck of it, I am also looking at the ingredient list of the Similac Advance which we are currently on - and it actually looks like the best of both worlds: nonfat milk first ingredient, as well as the whey, only 1 soy ingredient -soy oil (listed 4th) and of course it has C. Cohini oil and M. alpina to get you the DHA. And now i'm left scratching my head as to what originally alarmed me to the point that i got to researching a diff formula to go onto? Lol! Well, i think it's my concern about GMOs if i had to guess. And, from everything i've been reading these past few days, looks like there's no certified-free-of-GMOs formula out there, even the organic ones. Maybe i should stick with this one since DD seems happy with it. I guess however that at least the organic ones i think, at least the milk portion of it would have to have been free of bovine growth hormones and i'm not sure that's the case for regular old Similac Adv. I think i'll go research that now!

Hope I'm not overloading you, I really appreciate yr input!
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We use Baby's Only because it is literally the only formula she tolerates that doesn't have corn. We tried numerous formulas, all the way down to EleCare, an amino acid formula and she had so many issues with them ranging from aggravated reflux, eczema, gas and stomach issues, not sleeping, and with Elecare severe silent reflux that warranted thickening. We couldn't find something that agreed with her for thickening either, but if we didn't she would refuse to eat.

So, at my last effort I saw that Baby's Only uses no corn syrup solids and if there is corn in it, it is so minute it doesn't bother her. We use the Soy version. I'm not a fan of soy in the least, but at least it's non GMO. She has a milk protein intolerance. She couldn't even tolerate the hydrolyzed milk protein in Alimentum Ready to Feed, and that's only 2 percent and corn free.

So yeah, I think Baby's Only is an amazing company and I absolutely love their formula since she is once again eating and no longer needs thickened formula and actually sleeps. On top of that, she is thriving. Avoiding corn is a PITA though, it's in everything. At least we figured out the issue though.

OH, as for constipation, we have not had that issue at all. If anything her poops are back to normal. She was very constipated on EleCare. We had to add a tsp of flax oil in a bottle a day to keep her regular. I still use it though because it helps a lot with a non food related eczema patch on her arm.
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