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Old 02-02-2013, 05:56 PM   #1371
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Re: Top ten reasons not to circumcise your son

I think they have been 'cast out' because the thread is titled 'top ten reasons not to circumcise your son' not '100 reasons some may or may not decide to circumcise and everyone's opinion about it' b/c there's a bunch of those already and they always get locked

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Old 02-02-2013, 06:02 PM   #1372
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Correct, but is it really so wrong to voice a small experience? Not to me.
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:03 PM   #1373
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My ex in high school was 18 when he had to have surgery because he WASN'T circumcised. He didn't have infections, but he did have health problems because if it .

Also, every guy in my high school that wasn't circumcised was made fun of till no end and given nicknames like "slug". It was horrible for them. And that wasn't 30+ years ago, that was just 4. Oh, and they've carried those nicknames with them ever since.

I heard my son get circumcised and he was fine. There was no crying (not because of shock, but because he slept through it).

I can count on one hand the people I know that aren't circumcised and they are practically shunned for it. Circumcision is extremely common here, like 80% - 90%

And for what it's worth, sex with my husband is 100 times better than sex with someone uncircumcised. It was like a gross shell with my ex. No thanks!

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I was teased to no end and called all kinds of names for being so flat chested. Should my mom have gotten me breast implants in middle school to stop that?

Also, you weren't there. You only heard it. You have no way of knowing if your child was not in shock.
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I don't know about those conditions, but my sons was legit. I know that our specialist came from two states over for my son. He is one of the best in the country, though I'm sure that's more my opinion than actual fact, and is probably one of the reasons my son had such an easy experience.

I agree that I don't think it should be done just for looks, but I respect everyones right to choose, and unfortunately, it is still everyone's right to choose (minus the baby). Most parents weigh the odds . . . my son bleeding out or my son getting a UTI.

On another note, when I told my friends I didn't want to circ my son before we knew he would have to be, I was totally made fun of and made to feel like a bad mom for it. So I'm sure that plays a large roll in the mothers decision. Most the time, the baby doesn't die, have issues, and never knows the differnece. So, it's easy to belittle what is actually taking place.

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I can understand a medical reason. I didn't read all the posts so I have no idea if you mentioned anything about what happened with your son... Nor do I expect you to. I will say that many reasons cited as medical reasons for circumcision are not legitimate, such as phimosis and hypospadias. Also, many problems that people believe are associated with being intact are not associated with being intact, but are caused by improper care of the infant's penis, such as forced retraction.

I also do not believe that the very slim chance of a male needing to be circumcised due to medical necessity justifies routine infant circumcision.

ETA: Pain of the surgery is not my only issue with it, though it is a major issue. My issue is with cosmetic surgery being forced upon someone who cannot consent, and the potential consequences that can result such as infection, skin bridges, necrosis, erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, desensitization, and even death.
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Clearly you did not read the rest of the posts. I'll give you a few minutes to check on the facts and get back to me. I do know that he wasn't in shock . . . for a fact.

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I was teased to no end and called all kinds of names for being so flat chested. Should my mom have gotten me breast implants in middle school to stop that?

Also, you weren't there. You only heard it. You have no way of knowing if your child was not in shock.
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:18 PM   #1376
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Most circumcisions are performed by pediatricians, obstetricians, urologists or Mohels. (Jewish tradition.) Regardless of who does the procedure or what technique is used, the objective is the same.. to remove the foreskin, an organ, from the penis. Yes, some practitioners do take more measures to try to reduce the pain the baby will feel, but the most any practitioner will do for a newborn baby is a local anesthetic; a needle inserted into the penis (pain.) that injects a liquid medication, which also burns as it is going in. (pain.) And then of course there is always the pain that comes after the procedure, when the local has worn off. Baby is left with a wounded penis that is exposed to urine. Pain. It's physically impossible to remove any part of the body without associated pain.

I do not judge those who choose to circumcise their son. That would be awfully hypocritical of me considering my sons are circumcised, don't ya think?

However, I will speak up when I see people being misinformed.. regardless of the subject at hand. It's absolutely important to be informed and educated when it comes to the decisions we make for our children. Had I not been so misinformed, had I taken the initiative to educate myself instead of listening to all the anti-intact talk and assuming circimcision was what you're "supposed" to do, I wouldn't be a circ-regretting mama. Thankfully my boys healed fine and suffer no consequences from their circumcisions to date.... but I still enjoy helping to inform parents who are looking for the facts, especially considering no one ever once spoke up and said, "hey.. you should reconsider having your son circumcised because.... "

Yes, there are true medical reasons someone may need to be circumcised. But the majority of those can not be diagnosed until later in life and therefore newborn circumcision normally isn't necessary for medical purposes. And then from the other side of the fence.. there are also complications related to newborn circumcision, some that don't even make themselves known until much later in life.
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Old 02-02-2013, 06:24 PM   #1377
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I don't know about those conditions, but my sons was legit. I know that our specialist came from two states over for my son. He is one of the best in the country, though I'm sure that's more my opinion than actual fact, and is probably one of the reasons my son had such an easy experience.

I agree that I don't think it should be done just for looks, but I respect everyones right to choose, and unfortunately, it is still everyone's right to choose (minus the baby). Most parents weigh the odds . . . my son bleeding out or my son getting a UTI.

On another note, when I told my friends I didn't want to circ my son before we knew he would have to be, I was totally made fun of and made to feel like a bad mom for it. So I'm sure that plays a large roll in the mothers decision. Most the time, the baby doesn't die, have issues, and never knows the differnece. So, it's easy to belittle what is actually taking place.
I wasn't questioning your son's situation, just making a general statement. IMO, the only person who has a right to choose when it comes to routine (medically unnecessary) circumcision is the owner of the penis. We grant females protection from even a ritual pricking of the clitoral hood, yet our boys are not protected from losing 20,000 to 30,000 nerve ending, 1/3 to 1/2 of their penile shaft skin, and the 16+ functions of the foreskin? And what about the 117 (likely more,) baby boys who lose their lives because of unnecessary cosmetic surgery? One death as a result of unnecessary surgery is one too many.

Also complications from circumcision and men being upset about their circumcisions are not all that rare. It's just that men have kept it to themselves for so long. It is only recently that men started becoming more outspoken about this issue. Please see the FB page Circumcised Men Do Complain for thousands of examples of these kinds of men. Foreskin restoration is also increasing in frequency.

and in regards to complications as a result of foreskin, 10% of men suffer from abnormal complications of circumcision. This link is also NSFW but covers complications in depth http://www.circumcisionharm.org/gallery1.htm
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Clearly you did not read the rest of the posts. I'll give you a few minutes to check on the facts and get back to me. I do know that he wasn't in shock . . . for a fact.
But see, you don't. You said your husband was there, and your son slept through the entire removal of his foreskin. If that is the case, if he was "sleeping" and had no reaction to the circumcision, you have no way of knowing that he was not in shock; which is an almost comatose state caused by the bodies reaction to extreme pain... which often makes the person look as if they are asleep.

The most anesthesia any doctor will use for a routine newborn circumcision is a dorsal nerve block, an injection of medication directly into the babies penis.. which does not block 100% of the pain.
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Well that seems completely different than what my son went through. He wasn't injected in his penis, almost abdomen (not waking up because the needles were so little), and was numbed for 30 minutes before they even began. He slept through the entire thing, even my husband holding his hand. It was literally like he had no idea. After that, I changed him with no problems. He never cried during changes or flinched for that matter. I would recommend any parent seek out a specialist besides having the closet doc around. I couldn't have asked for a better, unplanned, circ for my son.

And yes, that would be very hypocritical of you. I would also speak up if I saw someone being misinformed. I never said that it doesn't hurt any baby. I simply stated my son slept through it and then was accused of falsifying, exaggerating, and not knowing what I was talking about. Most mom's don't know the facts, so this thread is AWESOME for them, but it's not horrible to toss in a story every once in awhile of someone who had a good experience.

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Most circumcisions are performed by pediatricians, obstetricians, urologists or Mohels. (Jewish tradition.) Regardless of who does the procedure or what technique is used, the objective is the same.. to remove the foreskin, an organ, from the penis. Yes, some practitioners do take more measures to try to reduce the pain the baby will feel, but the most any practitioner will do for a newborn baby is a local anesthetic; a needle inserted into the penis (pain.) that injects a liquid medication, which also burns as it is going in. (pain.) And then of course there is always the pain that comes after the procedure, when the local has worn off. Baby is left with a wounded penis that is exposed to urine. Pain. It's physically impossible to remove any part of the body without associated pain.

I do not judge those who choose to circumcise their son. That would be awfully hypocritical of me considering my sons are circumcised, don't ya think?

However, I will speak up when I see people being misinformed.. regardless of the subject at hand. It's absolutely important to be informed and educated when it comes to the decisions we make for our children. Had I not been so misinformed, had I taken the initiative to educate myself instead of listening to all the anti-intact talk and assuming circimcision was what you're "supposed" to do, I wouldn't be a circ-regretting mama. Thankfully my boys healed fine and suffer no consequences from their circumcisions to date.... but I still enjoy helping to inform parents who are looking for the facts, especially considering no one ever once spoke up and said, "hey.. you should reconsider having your son circumcised because.... "

Yes, there are true medical reasons someone may need to be circumcised. But the majority of those can not be diagnosed until later in life and therefore newborn circumcision normally isn't necessary for medical purposes. And then from the other side of the fence.. there are also complications related to newborn circumcision, some that don't even make themselves known until much later in life.
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Well that seems completely different than what my son went through. He wasn't injected in his penis, almost abdomen (not waking up because the needles were so little), and was numbed for 30 minutes before they even began. He slept through the entire thing, even my husband holding his hand. It was literally like he had no idea. After that, I changed him with no problems. He never cried during changes or flinched for that matter. I would recommend any parent seek out a specialist besides having the closet doc around. I couldn't have asked for a better, unplanned, circ for my son.

And yes, that would be very hypocritical of you. I would also speak up if I saw someone being misinformed. I never said that it doesn't hurt any baby. I simply stated my son slept through it and then was accused of falsifying, exaggerating, and not knowing what I was talking about. Most mom's don't know the facts, so this thread is AWESOME for them, but it's not horrible to toss in a story every once in awhile of someone who had a good experience.
This is a typical circumcision.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57516627632617
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