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Old 09-02-2013, 10:15 PM   #1811
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The one that always gets me is when a parent says foreskin is "gross." It's like, wow your kid is going to feel awesome about himself. "Sorry son, we had to cut that gross part of you off. Be glad the rest of you was cute!" And anyway, why should a parent's sexual preference of what they find appealing apply to their kids? They won't be the ones sleeping with them. Out of all the reasonings for it, that one makes me want to scream. Most I can wrap my head around, even though I don't agree, but that one is my "WTF?!" one.

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Absolutely. And for what it's worth, I consider the "I want him to match Daddy." to be a purely aesthetic argument as well. Just mind blowing.

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Old 09-14-2013, 06:56 AM   #1812
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I've been watching Long Way Down on Hulu. It's a show with ewan mcgregor and his friend traveling on their motorcycles from Scotland to South Africa. They stop at a village that happens to be getting ready to circ all their boys. They circ the boys at a much older age, like early teens. The kids aren't allowed to make a sound or grimace when being circed or it would bring great shame to their fathers. They do dozens of kids over a few days. They explained exactly how they circ. it sounded different than the way they do it here. Its very cultural there. its their villages way of the boys showing they are now men. Anyway, just an interesting side note.

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This is old (I don't come to DS much anymore as I have no one in diapers) but I wanted to say that this type of ritual circumcision is actually a big problem in Africa and tons of young men die every "circumcision season" and it makes the newspapers there as a "thing" that they expect to happen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23378694
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07...cision-deaths/
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:44 AM   #1813
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My midwife told my xh when he asked about an uncircumcised penis looking different from his that when our sons penis looked like his penis, his penis wouldn't look like his penis anymore!

It cracked us both up! I mean really there is NOTHING the same visually with a little boys and a grown mans penis!

I come from a family where my father is and my brother isn't and my ex was and our son isn't. It's never been an issue. In fact my ex's family is Jewish and my son thinks its so sad and awful that his cousins were circumcised
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Old 09-18-2013, 11:35 AM   #1815
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Re: Top ten reasons not to circumcise your son

Definitely need to check #9! Jesus is the new covenant, but that doesn't mean circumcision is wrong or unbiblical. Galatians 5:6 states that there isn't benefit in being circumcised or uncircumcised. We need to be saved and to live like Christ!

Very interesting facts, though. Definitely something to think about!
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Definitely need to check #9! Jesus is the new covenant, but that doesn't mean circumcision is wrong or unbiblical. Galatians 5:6 states that there isn't benefit in being circumcised or uncircumcised. We need to be saved and to live like Christ!

Very interesting facts, though. Definitely something to think about!
"Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you be circumcised, Christ will be of no advantage to you." – Gal 5:2

"And even those who advocate circumcision don’t really keep the whole law. They only want you to be circumcised so they can brag about it and claim you as their disciples." – Gal 6:13

"For there are many who rebel against right teaching; they engage in useless talk and deceive people. This is especially true of those who insist on circumcision for salvation. They must be silenced. By their wrong teaching, they have already turned whole families away from the truth. Such teachers only want your money" – Titus 1:10-11

"Watch out for those wicked men – dangerous dogs, I call them – who say you must be circumcised. Beware of the evil doers. Beware of the mutilation. For it isn’t the cutting of our bodies that makes us children of God; it is worshiping him with our spirits." – Phil 3:2-3

"And I testify again to every male who receives circumcision, that he is in debt to keep the whole Law. You who do so have been severed from Christ...you have fallen from grace." - Gal 5:3

"As God has called each man, in this manner let him walk. And thus I command in all the churches. Was any man called in the circumcision [Old Covenant]? Let him not try to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in the uncircumcision [New Covenant in Christ]? Let him not be circumcised! Circumcision is nothing. And uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God. Let each man remain in that condition in which he was called." - 1 Cor. 7:17

"And some men came and were teaching the brethren, 'Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.' But Paul and Barnabas together had great dissension and disputing with these men. . . Then Peter stood up and said to them '...Why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" - Acts 15:1-2, 7, 10

"But if I still proclaim circumcision. . . then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished." - Gal 5:11

"I wish that those who are pushing you to do so would mutilate themselves!" - Gal 5:12
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Thank you for those ^

I had a document saved on my old, old laptop of all these verses and lost it. It's nice to have them in one place for our fellow Christian friends who try to say circumcising their Gentile boys is biblical. I know these verses meant a lot to me when I first stumbled upon the idea of keeping boys whole.

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Re: Top ten reasons not to circumcise your son

I am not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread yet, but Brian J. Morris, the man who runs many pro-circ websites and FB pages and is probably the most outspoken pro-circ "advocate" is a weirdo, and IMO a circum******ist.

He was involved with The Gilgal Society, whose leader, Vernon Quinatance, was arrested for possessing child ****ography. http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/...#axzz2fTB8WCa6

After Vernon's arrest, Brian Morris removed all of the Gilgal Society logos from his brochures, he removed the "circumcision humor" section which included a photo of a nude male toddler with a flip phone dangling from his foreskin, and he removed a poem written by Vernon from his site. he began claiming he was never involved with Vernon.

Thankfully, there are lots of archives of his website on web.archive.org

Here is the circumcision humor section, including that sick photo and Vernon's poem, from 2010: http://web.archive.org/web/201006120...ion_humor.html
If you click on the brochures on the right sidebar, they all display the Gilgal Society logo... here is one of them: http://web.archive.org/web/201007071...dfs/GFW-EN.pdf

Brian Morris did make the mistake of leaving a strange list of Yahoo Groups on his site... If you click "Links & Resources" on his website, and go down to "Online Discussion Groups" strange groups like "eroticmalecircumcision" "circumcision******" "cuttingclub" "circumcisedkids" and "circumcisedteens" are there. http://www.circinfo.net/circumcision...on_groups.html

Those links have been there for years, since at least 2008: http://web.archive.org/web/200801221...on_groups.html

Here is an archive of the "eroticmalecircumcision" group from 2003. the group appears to have been shut down in 2004, but Morris has not removed it from his site. The group is blatantly circum******ist by their own admission. http://web.archive.org/web/200312281...ecircumcision/


Here is an archive of "circumcision******" from 2005 http://web.archive.org/web/200502040...mcision******/

if you look at the archive for circumcision****** from 2007, it says the group has been closed and they have moved to another website. i clicked the link and it led me to an out of date gay ****** site.

When the loudest advocate for circumcision is a man who was associated with a society whose leader was arrested for child ****, who posted strange "circumcision humor" jokes and a photo of a nude child his site, and who links to circum******ist groups, his "research" and opinion should be HIGHLY questioned if not disregarded entirely.

ETA: a few of the links got censored for containing the word "f*tish" just change the starts to that word if you are interested in seeing the content.

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Old 09-21-2013, 07:10 AM   #1819
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I am not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread yet, but Brian J. Morris, the man who runs many pro-circ websites and FB pages and is probably the most outspoken pro-circ "advocate" is a weirdo, and IMO a circum******ist.

He was involved with The Gilgal Society, whose leader, Vernon Quinatance, was arrested for possessing child ****ography. http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/...#axzz2fTB8WCa6

After Vernon's arrest, Brian Morris removed all of the Gilgal Society logos from his brochures, he removed the "circumcision humor" section which included a photo of a nude male toddler with a flip phone dangling from his foreskin, and he removed a poem written by Vernon from his site. he began claiming he was never involved with Vernon.

Thankfully, there are lots of archives of his website on web.archive.org

Here is the circumcision humor section, including that sick photo and Vernon's poem, from 2010: http://web.archive.org/web/201006120...ion_humor.html
If you click on the brochures on the right sidebar, they all display the Gilgal Society logo... here is one of them: http://web.archive.org/web/201007071...dfs/GFW-EN.pdf

Brian Morris did make the mistake of leaving a strange list of Yahoo Groups on his site... If you click "Links & Resources" on his website, and go down to "Online Discussion Groups" strange groups like "eroticmalecircumcision" "circumcision******" "cuttingclub" "circumcisedkids" and "circumcisedteens" are there. http://www.circinfo.net/circumcision...on_groups.html

Those links have been there for years, since at least 2008: http://web.archive.org/web/200801221...on_groups.html

Here is an archive of the "eroticmalecircumcision" group from 2003. the group appears to have been shut down in 2004, but Morris has not removed it from his site. The group is blatantly circum******ist by their own admission. http://web.archive.org/web/200312281...ecircumcision/

Here is an archive of "circumcision******" from 2005 http://web.archive.org/web/200502040...mcision******/

if you look at the archive for circumcision****** from 2007, it says the group has been closed and they have moved to another website. i clicked the link and it led me to an out of date gay ****** site.

When the loudest advocate for circumcision is a man who was associated with a society whose leader was arrested for child ****, who posted strange "circumcision humor" jokes and a photo of a nude child his site, and who links to circum******ist groups, his "research" and opinion should be HIGHLY questioned if not disregarded entirely.
Thanks, that's super disturbing.
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I am not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread yet, but Brian J. Morris, the man who runs many pro-circ websites and FB pages and is probably the most outspoken pro-circ "advocate" is a weirdo, and IMO a circum******ist.

He was involved with The Gilgal Society, whose leader, Vernon Quinatance, was arrested for possessing child ****ography. http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/...#axzz2fTB8WCa6

After Vernon's arrest, Brian Morris removed all of the Gilgal Society logos from his brochures, he removed the "circumcision humor" section which included a photo of a nude male toddler with a flip phone dangling from his foreskin, and he removed a poem written by Vernon from his site. he began claiming he was never involved with Vernon.

Thankfully, there are lots of archives of his website on web.archive.org

Here is the circumcision humor section, including that sick photo and Vernon's poem, from 2010: http://web.archive.org/web/201006120...ion_humor.html
If you click on the brochures on the right sidebar, they all display the Gilgal Society logo... here is one of them: http://web.archive.org/web/201007071...dfs/GFW-EN.pdf

Brian Morris did make the mistake of leaving a strange list of Yahoo Groups on his site... If you click "Links & Resources" on his website, and go down to "Online Discussion Groups" strange groups like "eroticmalecircumcision" "circumcision******" "cuttingclub" "circumcisedkids" and "circumcisedteens" are there. http://www.circinfo.net/circumcision...on_groups.html

Those links have been there for years, since at least 2008: http://web.archive.org/web/200801221...on_groups.html

Here is an archive of the "eroticmalecircumcision" group from 2003. the group appears to have been shut down in 2004, but Morris has not removed it from his site. The group is blatantly circum******ist by their own admission. http://web.archive.org/web/200312281...ecircumcision/

Here is an archive of "circumcision******" from 2005 http://web.archive.org/web/200502040...mcision******/

if you look at the archive for circumcision****** from 2007, it says the group has been closed and they have moved to another website. i clicked the link and it led me to an out of date gay ****** site.

When the loudest advocate for circumcision is a man who was associated with a society whose leader was arrested for child ****, who posted strange "circumcision humor" jokes and a photo of a nude child his site, and who links to circum******ist groups, his "research" and opinion should be HIGHLY questioned if not disregarded entirely.
That is disgusting.
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